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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Steinberg we were gonna talk here

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about female power in light of the new

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Supergirl TV show yeah we're all the

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most powerful people there are all women

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because we have Supergirl we have her

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boss at work cat grant who's this queen

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of all media she calls herself and then

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we've got her foster sister who's a spy

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and a doctor all powerful powerful women

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we should have more women on this show

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Chris we're working on it I met Phyllis

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Budinger well at the Skyfire summit

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she's someone that I've been wanting to

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meet for decades she's one of the few

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scientists willing to get involved in

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the paranormal and she's a female witch

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I think if she's a she she's a female

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yeah she's she's female

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okay let's get her on the show then okay

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you got her number

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also Oh Nancy dead tetr-a we're having

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on how to talk to an alien she's got a

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PhD from I think of Ivy League school

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she'll be interviewed in the middle of

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December correct

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we have her all set and of course we had

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Marie Jones on fairly recently and now

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we're talking about having Kathleen Mark

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Martin back to further examine the state

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of the abduction field I think she's a

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good middle-of-the-road person for that

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I need responsibility because we've had

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so many extremes here that we don't

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bring it back to the center we're never

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going to resolve anything there and we

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also have Susan Gordon who was a

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longtime Tucson resident was involved I

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think with a pro in the 80s was very

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close with Jim Della Tosa and Wendell

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Stevens is an experiencer she was

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married for a long time to Peter Gersten

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who was one of the main movers and

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shakers in the 70s and 80s behind cause

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with Larry Bryant and she's a horse

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whisperer now be very interesting to to

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get her on the show she's

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a lot of people over the years and has a

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lot of inside cool insider stories well

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we can check off the boxes here female

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black Asian Muslim Buddhist Ichi

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I don't know if we can get the et though

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is that really on this census I don't

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know I'd have to check that box well

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this would basically fit in the proper

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degree of shall we say diversity yeah

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you know we got some pretty wacky

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letters here at the power cast oh boy

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and you know which one run into this

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yahoo before ok he says you are a UFO

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ETD bunker a CIA asset and he was about

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to say something else about that so I

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want to know here no no go ahead

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continue reading continue he knows he

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can prove that I am an intelligence

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operative and what else did he say he's

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going to help me something like that

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yeah the if I'm a CIA asset then why the

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heck am i driving a ten-year-old car and

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I'm not on the payroll I mean what

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happened is the Republican Party saw the

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bill for CIA and it said Chris O'Brien

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on it line-item veto they gave you a

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line-item veto and look at this here he

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says also wait wait wait and if I ever

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managed to accumulate sufficient

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hardcore evidence to prove your meaning

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me zio Nazi Mossad CIA connection he may

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publish it all anyway very interesting I

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don't know what to say

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I mean I've been accused of that before

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it comes with the territory whenever you

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don't you know spout the true believer

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line of course someone named light

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dancing that kind of gives away some of

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the potential emotional issues that may

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be there when you take more of a

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rational sort of you know healthy

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skeptical stand in this field it

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invariably will end up with somebody out

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there saying oh he's just a

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disinformation agent he's just a he's a

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he's a spook he's this he's that Greg

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Bishop has been called that and Nick

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Redfern Nick Pope some more possibly

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warranted than others in my case I've

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never worked for the government

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knowingly I have no plans to work for

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the government I've never have been

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asked by them to supply data to them my

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data is open to anybody that wants to

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look at it it always has been

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yeah I'm live as transparently as I can

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especially in this morass of ufology I

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you know it's a full-time job just

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keeping out of everyone's way only

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opening your mouth when it's appropriate

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although I still struggle with that at

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times but just to reassure our audience

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I would like to believe and I rarely use

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that word as most of you know but I

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would like to believe that I am part of

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the solution not part of the problem and

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I don't think right now our government

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or anything having to do with UFOs and

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our government is part of any solution

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until the playing field gets and the

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pieces on the playing field get reset a

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little bit that's why our last show with

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Mark rodiger and and Leslie Kane I think

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is important because it shows a

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grassroots effort to come up with data

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I'm still a little concerned about the

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transparency of that data but it it in

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theory this whole this whole thing this

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UFO data thing looks like a good step in

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the right direction and I'm going to be

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speaking further with mark about some

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possible affiliations with the San Luis

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Valley camera project so this is all

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this is all good positive news and has

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nothing to do with least to my knowledge

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to any sort of government or

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intelligence agency type stuff as none

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of my work has for 20 plus years by the

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way just as you were saying that I got

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an email from one of our listeners

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volunteering to help with the camera

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project

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then he says he lives two hours from the

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valley so you'll be getting that email

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when you check it a few moments but it's

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promising we're getting these contacts

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from people they're really psyched about

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this the about the possibility finally

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of getting real evidence of what the

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UFOs are what and I did also hear from

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mark Rutger just the other day he said

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he'll be getting in touch with you

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shortly

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right so in Mark Dantonio who we had on

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fairly recently is going to be speaking

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this weekend down at Phoenix MUFON and

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I'm going to try to carve out some time

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to go down there and we solidify you

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know our conversations that we had some

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months ago before his illness so yeah

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it's there's a lot of forward motion

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another thing to kind of whet

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everybody's appetite hopefully by the

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the drone pilot and it's taken me two

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fact like Mad Magazine our price cheap

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that kind of thing go to plus dr. power

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search one of the co-authors of returns

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of Mageau Nia Chris ah BEC is back the

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kind of where it's going when we start

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our interview with Chris he was on the

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co-authored with Jacques filet and now

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he's just keeping at it so this is

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of our best episodes yet with gene and

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Chris you're in the Bharata cast so

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episode the para cast by Chris Abed

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co-author of return to Magana

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investigating UFOs in history and just

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before we started the episode we were

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experimenting on the best way for Chris

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to talk to us on skype he's currently

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using an iPad and it comes across pretty

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solid pretty good audio in fact better

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audio than his MacBook Air and Chris and

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I were wondering here as we attempted to

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communicate with Chris Beck what would

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happen if we just did a show where we

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turned off the speaker so we couldn't

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hear anybody else and we just answered

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responded the way we felt of course we'd

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overlap each other but would be like

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freeform conversation three people

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speaking at random what came into their

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minds and I don't know I guess we'd end

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up like the US Congress because they

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keep talking at each other and nobody

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communicates political glossolalia

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sounds good to me

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I can do that okay now that sounds good

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that sounds good I wanted to read

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something from the introduction to

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return to Magana written by Jacques

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Vallee and he's mentioning here dr. J

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Alan Hynek and this is interesting here

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he was talking about hynek's early

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involvement in UFOs where he of course

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was recruited by the Air Force to

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screen investigate the reports and I'm

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quoting here from valets introduction in

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this kind of forms a basis of where

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we're going with this subject and then

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we'll explore all the case histories

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that Christophe Beck has worked on and

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maybe recite a few of them here so

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here's what Jacque says about dr. Hynek

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what he discovered convinced him that

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much valuable material existed in those

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apparently unscientific stories he also

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recognized that the most popular

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theories such as the hypothesis that we

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were visited by extraterrestrials

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we're too simplistic and superficial to

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account for the complexity of the

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sightings that resisted natural

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explanation across all Beck

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do you agree with us here that maybe the

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biggest problem in doing UFO researches

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we're looking for simple answers that

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can be described in a one sentence sound

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bite yeah I'd say so I think one of the

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problems is that when I speak to people

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or when they write to me they often say

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hi I'm a UFO researcher and I say hello

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and I say well how long have you been

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researching UFOs and they say well since

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I was 8 and I say ok that's that's great

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that's a long time and they normally

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tell me that their only real experience

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with research is reading other UFO books

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also written by people who've been

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researching since the age of 8 or 9 and

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problem with this is that what we really

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need are research years ago either into

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the field and start looking for actual

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answers or at least interview witnesses

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or people like me probably who are

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willing to spend a long time in

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libraries searching for answers in

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historical books and newspapers and so

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on because it's such a complex question

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ufology embraces so many different

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fields you have to know something about

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linguistics and physics meteorology

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history sociology how folklore works and

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so on it's just such a

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an interesting and complex machine that

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yeah it's it's impossible to search the

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simplistic answers why do you think so

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many people believe UFOs just to be

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spaceships they don't look at the

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history they don't look at all the

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complexities they don't look at the

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exceptions is it because it's too

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complex or because people are so busy

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just trying to survive they don't have

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the time yeah I think it's a bit of both

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it's a lot easier to to be fed

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information about UFOs than to research

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them yourself from scratch I mean to to

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research a UFO case from scratch you

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either have to approach a witness or as

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I said to go to a library and get very

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deep into some very old and brittle

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documents possibly from 50 years ago or

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from before that people don't really

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have time to do this kind of thing with

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it to do this kind of work so they wait

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until somebody gives them the

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information on a plate on a tray this is

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where the problem begins because if

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there's not much an active researching

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going on and when I say research I mean

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from zero from from the most basic facts

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from one person's written testimony for

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example then we are influenced by the

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biases of the researchers who give us

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that information already developed into

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a thesis or an article or a book because

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there's a lot of pressures in this field

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to to become a published writer to to

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make some amount of money even if it's a

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tiny amount but at least to do something

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that makes it seem worthwhile in the end

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ufology is is delivered as a package of

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like like a product and that product

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will have a label on it like aliens or

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ghosts poltergeists or something like

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that which I don't know if it finally

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means that people are very much

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influenced by by the way the UFOs are

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packaged and I think that what we have

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to do is to get back to the roots of

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research get back to

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how we should approach such a complex

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scientific issue I said I would say we

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should just throw ufology out the window

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and start again I think that you could

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throw a lot of ufologists out of the

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window I can give you a list some people

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want to throw me out but that's another

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story yeah well that's not out the

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window Jim because you won't live on a

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second floor so it's out with the trash

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or about somehow I don't know how would

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the dog well you know I don't mind

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living on the second floor but my wife

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is still recovering from the knee

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surgery that's it right well I'd like to

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add to what Chris said was that this

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might sound a little little jaundiced

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and and a bit jaded but if your culture

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tries to tell you that it's true chances

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are it's not so I bet you a gambling man

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could could look at everything that

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these TV shows tell you about UFOs and

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then assume the opposite and probably be

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right more often than if he bought into

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everything that he was being programmed

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with culture is not our friend culture

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is everything we don't have to believe

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in well that's true and you know I've

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also appeared on the History Channel and

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I wasn't very happy about the way that

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program was produced with it was a

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series of documentaries and it was in

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Spanish it was edited in such a way that

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I ended up saying things on-screen which

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I didn't really say at all but at least

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a normal teen band order that's happened

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to Chris a few times Chris O'Brien by

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the way before we go on we should call

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Chris by his birth name Kay Kay because

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otherwise the Chris and the Chris is

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gonna just drive us crazy but he's

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mentioned a few times too going on these

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TV shows and may take you out of context

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or they need to find again the talking

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point they do that with interviews of

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politicians where someone says something

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in one sentence you didn't build that

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which has nothing to do of course with

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UFOs it was about a comment on that

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takes a village and an industry in the

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presidential campaign in 2012

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but they distorted the comment by taking

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one sentence you can do that with

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anything you take one sentence and I can

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be saying things you don't want to hear

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and I won't mention those sentences

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because I'll do it we have cristal beque

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co author of a new book called return to

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Magana more to come with Jean and Kay

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Kay you're in the para cast thank you

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so we are covering the book returned -

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magana investigating UFOs in history

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co-authored by chris avec chris before

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we go on can you tell us about your

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co-author and how you and he got

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involved yeah I approached Martin Schaaf

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as several years ago after reading some

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of his work on UFO cases on the Internet

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I was impressed by his very broad

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knowledge of science geography

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00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:47,750
meteorology and so on which he applies

627
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to very complex UFO sightings involving

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radars and other cases like that he has

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a website you can see some of his work

630
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there it's quite impressive and Martin's

631
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methodology and mine work together in

632
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tandem to examine historic UFO sightings

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00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,510
- 2 bits really he's one of the people

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who's had the most influence over how I

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approached research which can get very

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technical in areas we should never lose

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sight of the fact that we are studying

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physical phenomena that interact with

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the real world so we need to use all the

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tools and knowledge that science

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provides it's what makes us very

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meticulous particularly in this book but

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you know this this kind of proper

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detective work does pay off every time

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so when I approached Martin having seen

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the kind of work that he's done I

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thought this is exactly what I need this

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is I mean we can work together we can

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collaborate on a study of some of the

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best cases in history and we can analyze

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them to bits that's exactly what we've

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done

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he was a member of mangonia exchange my

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research group on the internet for many

655
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years and he's contributed some amazing

656
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:05,240
observations to two historical cases

657
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over the years so I think he's a really

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great asset ok so going with this

659
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starting this book project what were

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your goals what we wanted to do was to

661
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have a look at historical cases in a

662
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different way as we say in the

663
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introduction there are these two polar

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opposites in the UFO debate on the one

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hand there are people who see UFOs

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everywhere

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and throughout time who see the

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phenomenon is something that's been

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around since Mesopotamia and has never

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gone away then there were the people who

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refused to accept that

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anything anomalous has been seen

673
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anywhere at all ever and they treat UFOs

674
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as another folkloric motif alongside

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flying carpets and winged horses what we

676
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do is to take a third approach we have

677
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absolutely no bias in this field I mean

678
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I personally don't mind if all UFOs turn

679
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out to be atmospheric phenomena or

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misinterpretations or hoaxes or even

681
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little green men my interest lies in how

682
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human belief systems have developed over

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time have folklore and fake law

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influence people's ideas and

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decision-making if I find out one of the

686
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cases that interests me was actually all

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probably and normally I consider that a

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bonus and what we do in return - magana

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is to collect 20 or so cases that do

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represent anomalies and we explain why

691
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:38,270
their anomalous and great lengths all

692
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:40,490
right so we're looking at UFOs now not

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00:30:47,410 --> 00:30:44,090
as spaceships but is something that is

694
00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:47,420
as you say anomalous so physical in

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00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:51,470
nature right so a physical anomaly can

696
00:30:57,610 --> 00:30:54,470
we maybe look at one case describe one

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00:30:59,470 --> 00:30:57,620
typical case and explain what is

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anomalous about it what is so strange

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00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:03,500
and what seems to make it unusual well

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for example in Chapter two of the book

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we talk about a case that occurred in

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the year 1665 and it's very interesting

703
00:31:18,550 --> 00:31:15,680
basically a series of objects was seen

704
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:18,560
flying in the sky near the German city

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00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:23,330
of Strauss and in April 1665 the report

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00:31:29,770 --> 00:31:26,480
mentioned ships flocks of birds fire and

707
00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:29,780
smoke but there was also a dark plate or

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00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:32,420
hat shaped object that hovered over the

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Church of Saint Nicholas for an hour and

710
00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:37,430
there are plenty of witnesses including

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00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:38,870
several fishermen

712
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:41,510
who afterwards complained of physical

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00:31:45,239 --> 00:31:43,210
problems including

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00:31:47,879 --> 00:31:45,249
trembling and pain in their hands and

715
00:31:49,769 --> 00:31:47,889
feet and what we found out is that the

716
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:49,779
contemporary illustrations were pretty

717
00:31:55,529 --> 00:31:52,809
good and combined with the time and the

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00:31:57,719 --> 00:31:55,539
date we know what was going on in the

719
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sky at the time because what we use I

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mean what we've used and throughout this

721
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:03,339
this book is a digital planetarium

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00:32:08,129 --> 00:32:05,529
so basically we're calculating the

723
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positions of the stars the planets the

724
00:32:14,219 --> 00:32:11,739
Sun the Moon in the sky for any time on

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00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:14,229
any day throughout history because in

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00:32:19,379 --> 00:32:16,779
this case we have the exact time we have

727
00:32:21,899 --> 00:32:19,389
the exact date we're able to calculate

728
00:32:24,899 --> 00:32:21,909
the positions of all of the celestial

729
00:32:27,749 --> 00:32:24,909
bodies so we can definitely rule out the

730
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Sun or the moon or more stars planets

731
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and some dogs so we thought maybe it's

732
00:32:36,539 --> 00:32:34,210
it'll have to do with clouds or flocks

733
00:32:39,299 --> 00:32:36,549
of starlings which sometimes can form

734
00:32:41,849 --> 00:32:39,309
strange shapes in the sky but this

735
00:32:44,579 --> 00:32:41,859
phenomenon lasted far too long even for

736
00:32:47,310 --> 00:32:44,589
that so you know as far as we're

737
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:47,320
concerned it's a very early sighting of

738
00:32:54,539 --> 00:32:51,279
a disc-shaped object in the sky with

739
00:32:57,719 --> 00:32:54,549
with no possible explanation I think we

740
00:32:59,099 --> 00:32:57,729
use about eight or nine pages to discuss

741
00:33:01,259 --> 00:32:59,109
this and we look at it from every

742
00:33:03,539 --> 00:33:01,269
possible angle I mean what would you

743
00:33:05,639 --> 00:33:03,549
have to do these days because there's so

744
00:33:07,019 --> 00:33:05,649
much information available to us it's

745
00:33:10,169 --> 00:33:07,029
the first time in history that

746
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:10,179
humanity's had access to so much data

747
00:33:14,729 --> 00:33:12,299
about the past you look at the

748
00:33:16,769 --> 00:33:14,739
meteorological angles you look at the

749
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:16,779
astronomical angle you look at the

750
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:19,330
topography the geology and everything

751
00:33:24,659 --> 00:33:21,609
else related to a case at any time in

752
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:24,669
history to reach a conclusion so yeah

753
00:33:29,489 --> 00:33:27,849
the Stralsund disk is very interesting

754
00:33:31,879 --> 00:33:29,499
because there's absolutely nothing that

755
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:31,889
can explain it and the witnesses

756
00:33:38,609 --> 00:33:35,289
suffered from physical physical ailments

757
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:38,619
afterwards it's one of the earliest to

758
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:41,769
my recollection really bonafide and

759
00:33:46,619 --> 00:33:43,690
documented sightings of a disc-shaped

760
00:33:49,249 --> 00:33:46,629
object I know there are stories that are

761
00:33:51,239 --> 00:33:49,259
earlier than this but the the amount of

762
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:51,249
documentation here is very impressive

763
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:55,630
yeah it is in fact we we published

764
00:34:00,180 --> 00:33:58,210
an article about this a short time ago

765
00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:00,190
so it's available on the Internet so in

766
00:34:04,110 --> 00:34:02,500
fact people can actually read that

767
00:34:07,409 --> 00:34:04,120
chapter of the book if they want to

768
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:07,419
mm-hmm well what what sort of

769
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:10,270
differences you have you delineated out

770
00:34:15,810 --> 00:34:12,970
from wonders in the sky or you you you

771
00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:15,820
seem to be concentrating on on really

772
00:34:20,669 --> 00:34:18,100
well documented cases in this book as

773
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:20,679
opposed to trying to supply a timeline

774
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:24,790
of potentially anomalous events as you

775
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:26,919
did with with Jacques fili and wonders

776
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:28,540
in the sky this one looks like you

777
00:34:34,590 --> 00:34:31,780
really dug into some cases of a whole

778
00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:34,600
cloth and really really dug out as you

779
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,300
were describing all the various angles

780
00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:39,520
and details yeah that's right I mean in

781
00:34:44,669 --> 00:34:42,280
wonders in the sky we collected 500 of

782
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:44,679
the most interesting historical UFO

783
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:47,320
cases on record and this was a a massive

784
00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:49,270
achievement at the time in itself

785
00:34:53,849 --> 00:34:51,700
because to reach 500 we had to sort

786
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:53,859
through an archive of several thousand

787
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:56,230
reports they are the original source for

788
00:35:00,180 --> 00:34:57,880
practically all of them you know

789
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:00,190
somewhere in Latin others in medieval

790
00:35:05,220 --> 00:35:03,070
German or French and we had an extra

791
00:35:07,890 --> 00:35:05,230
section on myths and legends and some

792
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:07,900
very doubtful cases but the focus was on

793
00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:10,510
gathering as many good UFO accounts from

794
00:35:17,099 --> 00:35:12,340
ancient times as we could fit into a

795
00:35:19,170 --> 00:35:17,109
single book some might say that sort of

796
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:19,180
bringing hundreds of sightings from

797
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:21,850
mystical and religious scientific and

798
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:24,250
historical sources together like that

799
00:35:28,890 --> 00:35:27,130
was to take them out of context and you

800
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:28,900
know they'd probably be right we didn't

801
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:31,630
provide a socio-cultural context for

802
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,810
most of the accounts in ones in the sky

803
00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:36,640
however we we we did make it known from

804
00:35:41,220 --> 00:35:38,710
the start that this was just a first

805
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:41,230
step in a much bigger project which is

806
00:35:46,859 --> 00:35:44,770
the analysis of historical records in in

807
00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:46,869
search of parallels with modern UFO

808
00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:47,560
phenomena

809
00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:49,990
so the first step had to be to collect

810
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:52,270
all the data we could and this itself

811
00:35:58,020 --> 00:35:54,970
made a fascinating book and it's a book

812
00:36:01,260 --> 00:35:58,030
we will continue to revise and update in

813
00:36:04,140 --> 00:36:01,270
the future but now in return to Magana

814
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:04,150
what Martin Shaw and I've done is to

815
00:36:08,910 --> 00:36:06,580
take a selection of historical accounts

816
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:08,920
and analyze them from every angle

817
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:11,230
possible taking into account the

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it's like the next logical step after

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wonders in the sky and I don't think

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anything's been published before on the

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list the basic sighting and details I

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and you are listening to the podcast now

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the first case you cited for us i was

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interested in your mentioning people

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getting sick as a result and we think

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that of course of the cash Landrum case

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in nineteen eighty Rendlesham in

954
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nineteen eighty how many of the cases

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that you analyze and study in the book

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involve these side effects for people

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who witnessed it well in this book we

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don't really concentrate on on side

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effects very much I mean the main the

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main side effect really is is fear

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obviously people got very afraid

962
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especially in the in the nineteenth

963
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century in the early days of UFOs you

964
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could say because they had no idea what

965
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it was and they had nothing to compare

966
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it to it's not as if science fiction

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provided a template for them to say oh

968
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this must be a spaceship I'm not going

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to run away I'm going to see how many

970
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:01,450
tentacles they have so people were

971
00:42:06,569 --> 00:42:04,090
afraid but we don't really have any more

972
00:42:09,569 --> 00:42:06,579
cases in this particular book

973
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of people who suffer from ailments and

974
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we have actually written I mean the

975
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version of return - magana that's come

976
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out is half of the cases that we've

977
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compiled so for that's so far to be

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published so with any luck in I don't

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know a few months in a year we could

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bring out the second part and I believe

981
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there we do have some cases in which you

982
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see the physical impact on humans of UFO

983
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sightings now in terms of parallels to

984
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modern cases to what degree do you see

985
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things that seem to be similar to one

986
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degree or another well what I really see

987
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:47,829
is that it's like there's a continuation

988
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of UFO cases from ancient times up to

989
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present day I mean practically every

990
00:43:04,079 --> 00:42:59,859
component of modern UFO adji whether

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it's a mythical component a fake

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component or something that's truly

993
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there seems to be reflected in

994
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historical cases I mean that includes

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stories about entities whether they're

996
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floating in the sky or walking on the

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ground the shapes of the vehicles their

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behavior - and how these objects seem to

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to get around whether it's by flying in

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the sky or across the ground there are

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so many different parallels between

1002
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historical cases and modern ones that

1003
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it's a lot more difficult to answer the

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question what are the differences

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because once we've seen how you follow

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G's developed over the last two

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centuries which is basically what my

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group does my Gonia exchange which if

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anyone's listening they can always

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contact me and become a member quite

1011
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easily what we've been doing over the

1012
00:44:04,589 --> 00:44:01,440
last 13 years is to look at and

1013
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:04,599
historical sightings compare them to

1014
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:07,210
modern ones it just seems as if there

1015
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there isn't a very big divide so rather

1016
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than saying that there's post 1947

1017
00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:19,850
ufology in pre 1947 ufology for me it's

1018
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practically all just one continuation

1019
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what are some of the earliest cases that

1020
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you feel have enough documentation to

1021
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you know sort of suggest that we are

1022
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dealing with something that may have

1023
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been around for millennia I mean what

1024
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are some of the the best early cases in

1025
00:44:44,110 --> 00:44:41,540
the in the book we start with at the

1026
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17th century 17th century England in

1027
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fact there are among shelia cases and

1028
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that and if anyone wants to check out

1029
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wonders in the sky you know there's

1030
00:44:55,590 --> 00:44:53,300
there's a big section on medieval cases

1031
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:55,600
but because what we're looking for

1032
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:00,800
Martin and I are cases with enough data

1033
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in them to analyze them properly we

1034
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start in the 17th century so I mean in

1035
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Chapter 1 we talk about how in England

1036
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at that time people used accounts of

1037
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strange events to show that God

1038
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supported their particular war or cause

1039
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:24,290
and we look at the mirabilis anise which

1040
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was three volumes that covered just a

1041
00:45:32,740 --> 00:45:30,890
few years in the 1660s and we know we

1042
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:32,750
know that many of the testimonies in

1043
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:35,540
this collection must be fake but we were

1044
00:45:40,270 --> 00:45:37,730
happily surprised to find using the

1045
00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:40,280
digital planetarium and other sources

1046
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:43,940
that many were also very accurate to I

1047
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:46,850
mean the mirabilis anise doesn't just

1048
00:45:51,610 --> 00:45:49,370
gather UFO reports it also has accounts

1049
00:45:55,060 --> 00:45:51,620
of unusual weather deformed animals

1050
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:55,070
marine monsters and ghosts but 146 of

1051
00:46:01,060 --> 00:45:57,470
them were about things in the sky so

1052
00:46:04,060 --> 00:46:01,070
here we have a book where we find some

1053
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:04,070
UFO cases from the 1660s for example

1054
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:06,890
somebody sees strange linked with

1055
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:10,370
appendages like leg legs other lights

1056
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:12,170
that move around very strangely other

1057
00:46:18,850 --> 00:46:16,670
other lights that well enter water an

1058
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:18,860
exit water and so on there were so many

1059
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:22,420
cases in this 17th century manuscript

1060
00:46:27,820 --> 00:46:24,650
then after that in the book we talk

1061
00:46:31,450 --> 00:46:27,830
about Stralsund which are described

1062
00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:31,460
before and then we get into the topic of

1063
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:35,390
of lights and strange fireballs which in

1064
00:46:42,130 --> 00:46:38,770
in Wales played a very important part in

1065
00:46:44,050 --> 00:46:42,140
UFO history I mean they they've been

1066
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:44,060
seen there since the 17th century

1067
00:46:48,820 --> 00:46:46,550
onwards there was important flap of

1068
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:48,830
sightings in Wales for example in 1904

1069
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:52,570
and 1905 so this is this is a

1070
00:46:58,810 --> 00:46:55,610
continuation there from ancient times to

1071
00:47:00,850 --> 00:46:58,820
to the 20th century so we look at that

1072
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:00,860
being quite deep in quite a lot of

1073
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:03,050
detail and then we look into the the

1074
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:07,660
18th century and we examine a case from

1075
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,390
1749 in which it was said that fireball

1076
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,000
sort of came out of a sea and attacked a

1077
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:16,880
ship we're beginning to find the the

1078
00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:18,950
best the best cases with the best data

1079
00:47:26,050 --> 00:47:22,940
around the 17th and 18th century that's

1080
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:26,060
about as far as you can push good cases

1081
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:28,310
in in the sense that if you're trying to

1082
00:47:36,070 --> 00:47:32,510
find cases with a date time known

1083
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,080
witnesses a known location and so on you

1084
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:38,480
can't get much beyond the 17th century

1085
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:42,290
unfortunately you know we have some some

1086
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:44,030
really good questions in our question

1087
00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:46,190
Bank where our listeners are able to

1088
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:48,380
post questions that we then ask our

1089
00:47:53,950 --> 00:47:51,740
guests and you've already answered

1090
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:53,960
several about like what's the cutoff day

1091
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:56,480
what's the I didn't notice the date of

1092
00:48:03,220 --> 00:47:59,330
the most recent case in the book well we

1093
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:03,230
actually take it up to to the year 1947

1094
00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:05,390
I mean okay welcome to the modern era

1095
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:07,820
okay yeah because in wonders in the sky

1096
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:09,830
we had to stop somewhere I mean we could

1097
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:13,160
have added another 20 or 30 amazing 82 I

1098
00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:16,910
think before the age of flight well yeah

1099
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:21,080
we chose 1879 around that time when

1100
00:48:24,820 --> 00:48:22,850
people started reporting actual

1101
00:48:27,220 --> 00:48:24,830
human-made aircraft in the sky

1102
00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:27,230
ballooning is becoming more popular and

1103
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:29,480
people were trying out new designs but

1104
00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:31,850
then in return to meconium we didn't

1105
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:34,220
need to stop there because we're we're

1106
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:36,590
examining the stories and such detailed

1107
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:39,470
so we take them right up to 1947 just

1108
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:41,870
before Kenneth Arnold sighting over

1109
00:48:44,829 --> 00:48:43,850
Mount Iranian I mean of course we can go

1110
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,839
straight into

1111
00:48:49,299 --> 00:48:47,359
19:48 in the 1950s but then we've been

1112
00:48:53,410 --> 00:48:49,309
looking at modern UFO history and not

1113
00:48:56,529 --> 00:48:53,420
and not historical UFO GN plenty of ink

1114
00:49:01,870 --> 00:48:56,539
has been artfully spilled on on that

1115
00:49:04,839 --> 00:49:01,880
particular time period forward yes well

1116
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:04,849
I'll tell you they get my editor who

1117
00:49:09,009 --> 00:49:06,920
signed me for my first book said she was

1118
00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:09,019
getting a hundred book proposals a week

1119
00:49:16,539 --> 00:49:12,950
on her desk from people about UFOs and

1120
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:16,549
the paranormal so here's an interesting

1121
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:19,940
question and this gets into kind of an

1122
00:49:24,099 --> 00:49:22,430
aside you made earlier about whether we

1123
00:49:26,410 --> 00:49:24,109
might be seeing some sort of atmospheric

1124
00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:26,420
life life-form weighed one of our

1125
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:29,630
longtime posters just past the 4,000

1126
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:31,700
postmarked - I might add on our forms

1127
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:36,650
and he gets a gold watch next week he's

1128
00:49:42,519 --> 00:49:40,880
wondering if you've ever addressed the

1129
00:49:43,989 --> 00:49:42,529
thinking that some people have proposed

1130
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:43,999
that some UFOs are thought to be

1131
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:46,700
biological sky critters all out Trevor

1132
00:49:52,059 --> 00:49:49,940
James constable of course who is famous

1133
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:52,069
for his photographs I think in that 50s

1134
00:49:58,269 --> 00:49:55,160
and 60s I think it was about when he

1135
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,279
started using infrared film and filming

1136
00:50:02,819 --> 00:50:00,079
what would appear to be these giant ohmy

1137
00:50:05,799 --> 00:50:02,829
buzz in the sky that he claimed were

1138
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:05,809
invisible to the naked eye and we're

1139
00:50:10,059 --> 00:50:07,729
actually living in our atmosphere do you

1140
00:50:12,359 --> 00:50:10,069
have any cases either from wonders in

1141
00:50:15,309 --> 00:50:12,369
the sky or in in your new book that

1142
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,319
suggests something biological in nature

1143
00:50:19,479 --> 00:50:16,960
well you know that's a very interesting

1144
00:50:21,339 --> 00:50:19,489
question because at different times in

1145
00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:21,349
history people have wondered if UFOs

1146
00:50:25,989 --> 00:50:23,809
where living creatures I mean of course

1147
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:25,999
we have the Dragons and other flying

1148
00:50:31,269 --> 00:50:29,089
monsters on the one hand but if you look

1149
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:31,279
through 19th century science fiction you

1150
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,890
find stories about lights and the sky as

1151
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:35,839
highly developed living beings or even

1152
00:50:41,529 --> 00:50:39,049
souls floating around in there in the

1153
00:50:43,870 --> 00:50:41,539
atmosphere I mean personally my window

1154
00:50:46,839 --> 00:50:43,880
into this question is through accounts

1155
00:50:49,660 --> 00:50:46,849
of humanoid beings that actually become

1156
00:50:52,329 --> 00:50:49,670
balls of light or fire and fly across

1157
00:50:55,779 --> 00:50:52,339
the sky which you can find in folklore

1158
00:50:57,329 --> 00:50:55,789
and in alleged to account so even though

1159
00:51:02,969 --> 00:50:57,339
I

1160
00:51:05,849 --> 00:51:02,979
have been interpreted as living

1161
00:51:07,769 --> 00:51:05,859
breathing creatures I mean it's it's

1162
00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:07,779
always been a long tradition and this

1163
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:10,119
idea that the actual UFO itself as a

1164
00:51:16,019 --> 00:51:12,670
ball of light when it descends to the

1165
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,029
earth can transform into a humanoid have

1166
00:51:20,579 --> 00:51:18,640
some kind of interaction with people and

1167
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:20,589
then at the end of that it becomes a

1168
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,529
ball of light again and zips off into

1169
00:51:28,589 --> 00:51:25,200
the into the sky

1170
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:28,599
glenda the goodwitch we have to zip off

1171
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:31,359
right now with Gene and Kay Kay and

1172
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:39,609
Glenda you're in very cast thank you for

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1176
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1177
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1178
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1179
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1180
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1181
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1182
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1220
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1221
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:12,280
now here's Jane Steinberg Glenda the

1222
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:16,240
Good Witch Glinda the Good Witch okay

1223
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,310
we're going to take votes on the quality

1224
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:21,280
of that imitation you see glowing balls

1225
00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:23,260
of light gets out as an interaction gets

1226
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:25,870
back in and floats away I revert back to

1227
00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:27,610
my childhood and watching The Wizard of

1228
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:29,800
Oz I mean it was the producers

1229
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:32,020
girlfriend who was probably should be on

1230
00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:35,170
the rotten tomatoes worst actresses of

1231
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:37,300
all time list anyway I'm sorry I digress

1232
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:41,260
here you know flying humanoid reports is

1233
00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:43,540
something that I've been I've had a

1234
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:49,240
number of reports since 2007-2008 in

1235
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:51,760
Colorado of what appeared to be flying

1236
00:54:58,170 --> 00:54:55,090
humanoids now I recall from your book

1237
00:55:01,140 --> 00:54:58,180
that there were several reports that may

1238
00:55:02,670 --> 00:55:01,150
have been misinterpreted as that in

1239
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:02,680
wonders of the sky but have you

1240
00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:06,730
encountered cases that you feel are real

1241
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:09,940
credible I remember the bishop of ask

1242
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:12,850
God what was that one case where the tip

1243
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:15,730
of Lyon and in France that's right yeah

1244
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:17,650
I mean yes I mean that is where the word

1245
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:19,480
Magana comes from of course you know I

1246
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:21,640
mean because at that time these people

1247
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:25,150
believed that possibly they were being

1248
00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:29,050
invaded by some foreign land that could

1249
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:32,350
send ships through the sky and they

1250
00:55:37,650 --> 00:55:35,530
would ravage the crops but by so doing

1251
00:55:40,350 --> 00:55:37,660
they'd be taking the crops or the

1252
00:55:42,420 --> 00:55:40,360
essence of the crops with them into the

1253
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:42,430
sky on these ships and taking them back

1254
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:45,670
to the mystical and unknown land of

1255
00:55:51,090 --> 00:55:48,040
Magana and I mean there weren't any

1256
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:51,100
flying humanoids in that story I I

1257
00:55:55,470 --> 00:55:53,170
normally try to distinguish between a

1258
00:55:57,780 --> 00:55:55,480
flying humanoid which is just a person

1259
00:56:02,040 --> 00:55:57,790
like Superman bobbing around in the sky

1260
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,050
and cases of humanoids that that do

1261
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:04,640
transform into balls of light

1262
00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:06,799
I'm actually writing a book at this

1263
00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:09,140
point about cases like this through

1264
00:56:14,650 --> 00:56:11,510
history and even looking for you know

1265
00:56:16,660 --> 00:56:14,660
looking at modern examples too I haven't

1266
00:56:18,099 --> 00:56:16,670
got a name for the book yet but I mean

1267
00:56:22,259 --> 00:56:18,109
personally I called them something like

1268
00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:22,269
neon phantoms because they look like

1269
00:56:28,569 --> 00:56:26,390
like ghosts when they transform and but

1270
00:56:31,509 --> 00:56:28,579
I mean they can be ghostly or

1271
00:56:32,859 --> 00:56:31,519
extraterrestrial in origin or imaginary

1272
00:56:35,950 --> 00:56:32,869
it doesn't really matter very much but

1273
00:56:38,049 --> 00:56:35,960
there's so many cases like this history

1274
00:56:40,539 --> 00:56:38,059
and then you also find them in modern

1275
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:40,549
abduction law you know the little grey

1276
00:56:45,789 --> 00:56:42,890
aliens that transform into balls of

1277
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,799
light to get into a room maybe as Santa

1278
00:56:49,569 --> 00:56:47,599
Claus might I don't know it's an

1279
00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:49,579
interesting subject yeah it's also uh

1280
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:52,460
you can make a case for an occult angle

1281
00:56:57,940 --> 00:56:55,670
too because often let's say in Mexico or

1282
00:57:01,390 --> 00:56:57,950
in the Southwest United States where we

1283
00:57:03,849 --> 00:57:01,400
are finding humanoid reports often have

1284
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,859
a kind of a folkloric interpretation of

1285
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:06,319
being witches being black magicians

1286
00:57:11,259 --> 00:57:09,230
adepts that were able to to fly I've

1287
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:11,269
interviewed a woman who claims her

1288
00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:13,730
grandmother attempted to teach her this

1289
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:16,940
a long line of multi-generational line

1290
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,529
of brujos there have been cases in

1291
00:57:25,930 --> 00:57:23,599
Mexico that actually were officially

1292
00:57:28,509 --> 00:57:25,940
reported by law enforcement who in one

1293
00:57:31,150 --> 00:57:28,519
case were attacked by what was described

1294
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:31,160
as a flying female form that attacked

1295
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:33,130
these guys outside their squad car

1296
00:57:38,499 --> 00:57:35,750
there's been some fairly good videotape

1297
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:38,509
taken over the years of something that

1298
00:57:44,650 --> 00:57:42,740
appears to be a black robe humanoid

1299
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:44,660
figure flying around in the sky some

1300
00:57:48,730 --> 00:57:46,130
pretty good daylight footage I remember

1301
00:57:50,859 --> 00:57:48,740
from the 90s and I've had over a dozen

1302
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:50,869
cases in the San Luis Valley from one

1303
00:57:57,009 --> 00:57:52,970
part of the valley of what appears to be

1304
00:57:59,529 --> 00:57:57,019
like a gargoyle Dracula meets areal

1305
00:58:00,999 --> 00:57:59,539
effect out of the frighteners the movie

1306
00:58:02,769 --> 00:58:01,009
the frighteners I the only way I can

1307
00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:02,779
describe it seen by real reliable

1308
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:05,420
witnesses so I think it's a worthy of a

1309
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:08,450
book and I it wasn't it King Gerhard

1310
00:58:12,609 --> 00:58:09,890
that just wrote a book on flying

1311
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:12,619
humanoids it wasn't that extensive it

1312
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:13,910
didn't go

1313
00:58:19,980 --> 00:58:16,640
just concentrated on a number of cases

1314
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,990
but they're surprisingly there's been

1315
00:58:26,349 --> 00:58:22,400
quite a number of these cases over the

1316
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:26,359
years just as as there's been surprising

1317
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:28,130
high percentage of cases of UFOs

1318
00:58:32,109 --> 00:58:30,410
involved with bodies of water which a

1319
00:58:34,539 --> 00:58:32,119
lot of people who don't have a

1320
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:34,549
background in this field to the extent

1321
00:58:38,620 --> 00:58:36,650
that we do or I think for the most part

1322
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:38,630
unaware I mean Ivan Sanderson and

1323
00:58:44,890 --> 00:58:41,410
invisible residents made the incredible

1324
00:58:47,069 --> 00:58:44,900
statement that he believed up to 50% of

1325
00:58:50,859 --> 00:58:47,079
all UFO sightings and are involved with

1326
00:58:52,539 --> 00:58:50,869
with bodies of water so in the book we

1327
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:52,549
mentioned we mentioned a few cases might

1328
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:55,130
not - yeah I mean it has the case of the

1329
00:58:59,710 --> 00:58:57,049
Victoria you also have the Strasbourg

1330
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,720
case that's right yeah I mean just a

1331
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:02,000
flying humanoids for a second again I

1332
00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:05,089
mean and in Chapter 7 we talk about a

1333
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:06,950
case which I find very interesting

1334
00:59:14,289 --> 00:59:10,490
because it's it's an object seen in the

1335
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:14,299
sky it was in August 1829 a group of

1336
00:59:19,809 --> 00:59:16,970
people in Leeds in England saw what they

1337
00:59:22,329 --> 00:59:19,819
thought was the full moon until it's

1338
00:59:24,579 --> 00:59:22,339
separated into two halves right above

1339
00:59:27,609 --> 00:59:24,589
their heads and then two humanoid

1340
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:27,619
figures came out and started floating in

1341
00:59:33,339 --> 00:59:31,220
the sky for about an hour so I mean what

1342
00:59:35,019 --> 00:59:33,349
we did in this in this case was to find

1343
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,029
out whether the moon was actually full

1344
00:59:41,170 --> 00:59:37,520
on that date or not which would be

1345
00:59:43,690 --> 00:59:41,180
August the 20th 1829 and it wasn't it

1346
00:59:46,089 --> 00:59:43,700
wasn't full and then we analyzed the

1347
00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:46,099
story from every possible angle and we

1348
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:47,960
what we found was that there was so many

1349
00:59:55,779 --> 00:59:51,950
other cases through history before 1947

1350
00:59:57,370 --> 00:59:55,789
of objects that were welding they look

1351
00:59:59,710 --> 00:59:57,380
like the moon that well they resembled

1352
01:00:02,079 --> 00:59:59,720
the Sun and they they opened up they

1353
01:00:03,819 --> 01:00:02,089
were like people inside or something

1354
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:03,829
sometimes they just talked about faces

1355
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:06,170
but quite often they were like flying

1356
01:00:12,370 --> 01:00:09,260
angelic beings that pop out of of an orb

1357
01:00:13,870 --> 01:00:12,380
flying in the sky so these these cases

1358
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:13,880
are interesting because of course this

1359
01:00:19,779 --> 01:00:17,690
predates all UFO encounters involving

1360
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:19,789
flying saucers or other kinds of

1361
01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:22,490
spaceships of the 1940s why do you think

1362
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:26,609
it is that UFOs became so popular

1363
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:28,170
to world war ii would suggest the

1364
01:00:32,089 --> 01:00:30,809
accident of the Kenneth Arnold sighting

1365
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:32,099
and the right conditions for publicity

1366
01:00:36,849 --> 01:00:34,049
even though this has been an ongoing

1367
01:00:39,999 --> 01:00:36,859
phenomenon I mean I have to look at this

1368
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,009
historically increment logically I mean

1369
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,920
UFOs the idea that alien artifacts could

1370
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come from another planet and land on

1371
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:49,950
earth started at the start of the 19th

1372
01:00:54,589 --> 01:00:52,140
century I mean where there we we talk

1373
01:00:57,289 --> 01:00:54,599
about meteorites with hieroglyphics on

1374
01:01:00,499 --> 01:00:57,299
them objects that contain books and

1375
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,509
papers or even mummified aliens that

1376
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:02,460
came from other planet and then we can

1377
01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:06,420
find out from around 1847 onwards then

1378
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:09,470
then after that and during that period

1379
01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:12,359
people became very interested in meteors

1380
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:15,660
in general because they they began to

1381
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:18,809
realize that the meteors meteorites

1382
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:21,930
asteroids and so on could come from from

1383
01:01:25,970 --> 01:01:22,710
other planets

1384
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,980
so this this whole theme became very

1385
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:28,319
popular from that point on I mean if you

1386
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:30,900
look at ancient astronauts this the the

1387
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:32,670
theory of ancient astronaut started in

1388
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:36,890
1823 in France and it's never gone away

1389
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:39,660
what people don't realize is that you

1390
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know before von Daniken 150 years before

1391
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:45,329
or von Daniken people discussed the

1392
01:01:50,779 --> 01:01:48,089
possibility that a planet had blown up

1393
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somewhere in our solar system or outside

1394
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it

1395
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and there was a guy in 1877 who said

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that Australia was itself an asteroid

1397
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that had come from outer space and that

1398
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explains why it was populated with very

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strange creatures and people and they

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said well now it's fallen into into

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Earth Territory we can take it for

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ourselves you know Finders Keepers so

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what I find is that it's not that UFOs

1404
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:23,279
became so popular after 1947 it was

1405
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building up to this for a very long time

1406
01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:29,819
and then you go up to the 1880s 1870s

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1880s when they start to talk about

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actual spaceships fallen from the sky

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and contact with extraterrestrials there

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at the beginning of the 20th century

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01:02:48,740 --> 01:02:44,340
this continues there's there were still

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cases of actual spaceships in you know

1413
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reported in newspapers people found

1414
01:02:59,110 --> 01:02:56,070
skull fragments and said well this

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01:03:04,850 --> 01:02:59,120
probably will belong to a Martian who

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landed very badly she blew up and then

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you find a lot of this all the way

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01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:10,890
through the 1910s then one happens

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01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:14,280
around sort of nineteen between 1910

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01:03:20,510 --> 01:03:17,250
1920 and then you have the war people's

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interest I mean their focus changes but

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01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:22,800
at the same time there was a huge

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interest in science fiction so it's sort

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of replaced in a sense the the articles

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:32,010
have been coming out in the press the

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01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:34,890
19th century let's break it here and

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we'll pursue that in more detail in our

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next segment with Chris avec Jean and

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co-author of return to Magana

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investigating UFOs in history and now we

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were talking about UFOs around world war

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01:09:03,460 --> 01:09:01,250
one or the part of the last century and

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you mentioned science fiction i assume

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things like jules verne or stories like

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that right well there's a lot more than

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that i mean you'll add your rice

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burroughs of course i mean the least

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that attracted you don't mean and enter

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the the UFO picture in a sense i mean

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01:09:19,059 --> 01:09:17,960
there was just so much science fiction

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01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:19,069
generated

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01:09:23,410 --> 01:09:21,560
in the 19th century at the beginning of

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the 20th century that there are so many

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01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:26,569
books that discuss disk shape objects

1566
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:28,490
you know published from from the 1890s

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01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,330
onwards this whole idea that UFO in or

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01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:35,600
in interest in an alien contact or UFOs

1569
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:39,250
started from 1947 isn't isn't quite true

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it was just you know a step more in the

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development of a theme which had been

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01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:47,359
popular at least since the beginning of

1573
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:49,490
the 19th century well you know after the

1574
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,650
this huge increase in science fiction

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01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:53,600
the nineteen twenties and thirties then

1576
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:55,310
people began talking again about the

1577
01:10:00,760 --> 01:09:58,850
possibility that UFOs could invade we're

1578
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:00,770
invading were visiting us

1579
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,370
then when 1947 happened and Kenneth

1580
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:06,080
on--all had his sighting it was already

1581
01:10:09,850 --> 01:10:07,850
there it was already a part of culture

1582
01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:09,860
yes will be a part of humanics you know

1583
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all human experience or human

1584
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:13,190
imagination one of the two there was a

1585
01:10:17,380 --> 01:10:15,410
huge wave of activity all through the

1586
01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:17,390
Midwest and West especially on the west

1587
01:10:22,150 --> 01:10:19,880
coast the weeks prior to the Arnold

1588
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:22,160
sighting and Roswell but also you have

1589
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your great airship wave that kind of

1590
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pumped the waters a little bit which

1591
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many people think the pivotal mercury

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theater broadcast of the reworking of

1593
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World War the Worlds by Orson Welles

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done as a kind of a mock newscast that

1595
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there was some debate over how

1596
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:42,530
influential that actually was at the

1597
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time but I think over time it is it

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influence policy amongst the government

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officials and and may have had a

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unintended side effect of of maybe

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heightening the secrecy around

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government interest in the subject back

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in the 17th 18th and 19th centuries do

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you find the government taking an active

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interest in these claims and how about

1606
01:11:11,260 --> 01:11:07,250
academia science scientists astronomers

1607
01:11:14,110 --> 01:11:11,270
I didn't find well I haven't found any

1608
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:14,120
sense of the conspiracy in the 19th

1609
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century I mean as far as I know only one

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:20,300
person and an Australian actually Irish

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originally an engineer named Fred

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Birmingham said that he thought and he

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was a man who had a dream that or some

1614
01:11:32,260 --> 01:11:31,250
people would say he actually had the

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experience it's

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although it did it did involve floating

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01:11:40,570 --> 01:11:36,230
heads and a lot of strange things like

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that anyway he had a dream in which an

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airship landed next to his house the

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pilot came out and showed him how to

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01:11:51,730 --> 01:11:50,000
operate the machine and said you've got

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to build one and this was a period in

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01:11:57,070 --> 01:11:54,650
which people I mean for the 18 1870s

1624
01:11:59,410 --> 01:11:57,080
1860s it was a period when people were

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01:12:01,900 --> 01:11:59,420
really trying to build the first working

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01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:01,910
airship or a dirigible because hot-air

1627
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:04,400
balloons could not be steered very well

1628
01:12:10,270 --> 01:12:07,600
so he dedicated the rest of his life to

1629
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:10,280
designing a machine just like the one

1630
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:12,890
that he'd seen in his dream in his

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01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:15,050
efficient while he was doing so I mean

1632
01:12:18,820 --> 01:12:16,970
cuz he he devoted all of his life to

1633
01:12:22,210 --> 01:12:18,830
that I mean he spent all his money on it

1634
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:22,220
he lost his job he almost became well I

1635
01:12:26,050 --> 01:12:23,810
think it became penniless in the end he

1636
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:26,060
died in an asylum in the end a

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:27,590
completely forgotten and he'd been a

1638
01:12:32,410 --> 01:12:30,770
member of parliament in fact but we're

1639
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talking about a man who thought that the

1640
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British particularly Queen Victoria had

1641
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something against him and they were

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trying to to cover up his his research

1643
01:12:47,860 --> 01:12:45,770
and to sort of belittle his attempts to

1644
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build a flying machine so he thought

1645
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:50,270
that there was a conspiracy against him

1646
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:00,250
yeah and coast to coast every other

1647
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:09,920
night well I just didn't so much mean a

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01:13:14,410 --> 01:13:11,930
conspiracy I just assumed that you know

1649
01:13:15,940 --> 01:13:14,420
I mean this is so rare back then that I

1650
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:15,950
don't think there'd be a conspiracy but

1651
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:19,570
just indications of official government

1652
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:22,090
investigations official government

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01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,260
scientists commenting on it making

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01:13:29,620 --> 01:13:26,000
measured statements that sort of thing

1655
01:13:32,010 --> 01:13:29,630
maybe quotes by astronomers there's

1656
01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:32,020
those plenty of thought all the way yeah

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01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:35,420
you know I mean until I mean the way it

1658
01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:39,250
works is that up till the 17th century

1659
01:13:46,100 --> 01:13:42,500
anyone could publish about these things

1660
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,110
I mean science didn't have its own

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since I mean science was still like

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public knowledge and you know the gossip

1663
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columns and the science columns are

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practically the same thing at that point

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that newspapers published about anything

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then from the 18th century onwards

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science publications were founded so

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that scientists if they wanted to be

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taken seriously wouldn't publish and in

1670
01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:11,730
popular newspapers so from the 18th

1671
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:13,590
century onwards yeah there was a lot

1672
01:14:19,970 --> 01:14:16,530
more interest by the establishment by

1673
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official scientists in anything in any

1674
01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:24,239
kind of observation of zeny meteorites

1675
01:14:29,899 --> 01:14:27,900
that flew strangely or natural phenomena

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01:14:32,030 --> 01:14:29,909
then at the beginning of the 19th

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century again with this massive

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explosion of newspapers the new

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newspaper industry from from that point

1680
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everybody again could publish

1681
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practically whatever they wanted because

1682
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the editors are only interested in

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selling copies of the newspapers so the

1684
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:47,070
strange or the better and and then what

1685
01:14:51,229 --> 01:14:49,710
happened was that scientists film quite

1686
01:14:53,959 --> 01:14:51,239
snobbish about this of course so they

1687
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stuck with their journals whereas you

1688
01:14:58,069 --> 01:14:55,440
know for the general population

1689
01:14:59,780 --> 01:14:58,079
newspapers serve that purpose to get

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01:15:04,339 --> 01:14:59,790
information out there about unusual

1691
01:15:05,689 --> 01:15:04,349
sightings of any kind I mean it sounds

1692
01:15:07,879 --> 01:15:05,699
pretty similar to the way it works today

1693
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just substitute newspaper with Internet

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and TV courage you've got a boilerplate

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for 200 years of head scratching and

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wheel spinning master

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here's another question this one comes

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from alien Esquire who's been a poster

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for almost well for just over a year

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he doesn't post much but he always asked

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good questions he comes out when we have

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good guests on he has a couple of

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questions and since we were talking

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about wartime periods this is something

1705
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that I've noticed that at the end of

1706
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major international conflicts and in

1707
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19th and 20th century we seem to have an

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uptick in in UFO reports waves if you

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will and he's wandering by your

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estimation how have major world events

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such as World Wars 1 and 2 or the

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American Civil War and the Revolutionary

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Wars in

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acted the number and nature of

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historical UFO sightings and I would

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include conflicts around the world in

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Europe possibly in in Africa or Asia do

1718
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we see any correlations at all between

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the conflicts the uptick let's say in

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sightings or possibly even a downtick

1721
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yeah well you know I mean UFO sightings

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do seem to increase in wartime we can

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see that from Foo Fighters World War two

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for example let's leave our brakes here

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UFOs in wartime why is it because the

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phenomena is observing us Chris ah BEC

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what do you think well you know I think

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this is mainly because in wartime people

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spend more time watching the skies

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there's a heightened awareness of attack

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from the air you can see that because in

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previous centuries when UFOs were also

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spotted on a regular basis there wasn't

1853
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this massive increase in sightings

1854
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because nobody expected to be attacked

1855
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from the sky I mean during the airship

1856
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weigh-in of 1896 1897 there was a

1857
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massive amount of of new UFO sightings

1858
01:21:43,530 --> 01:21:41,470
but it wasn't all about airships people

1859
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were observing the sky for the first

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time Venus Mars and so on

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we're also giving way to to this new

1862
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wave of UFO sightings so it's because

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people become extremely aware of what's

1864
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going on above their heads on the other

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hand what we do find in in ancient

1866
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descriptions of warfare anecdotes about

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visions of angels ghosts or God or

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writing floating in the clouds almost

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always as propaganda to illustrate what

1870
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I mean about heightened awareness of the

1871
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sky during wartime I found a lot of

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stories about soldiers opening fire on

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enemy planes and discovering later they

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were shooting at Venus or Jupiter

1875
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because they were just so fixated on any

1876
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likes appearing above their head so I'm

1877
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really not surprised that there is this

1878
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increase in UFO sightings you know

1879
01:22:38,850 --> 01:22:36,520
during during the war I mean just just

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the other day actually I found in the

1881
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case in an in a newspaper from 1916 and

1882
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it says the planet Jupiter being

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unusually bright one evening recently

1884
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some of the German soldiers fired at it

1885
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:55,420
thinking it was the light of a Russian

1886
01:23:01,290 --> 01:22:58,090
airship okay that's from a newspaper

1887
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published on April the 10th 1916 then I

1888
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also found in this book from 18 1858

1889
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that the Turkish soldiers one morning

1890
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rule woken

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because someone thought that someone had

1892
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had sent up a rocket in fact it was it

1893
01:23:23,290 --> 01:23:20,840
was just Venus but they woke up all the

1894
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soldiers so they could get ready for an

1895
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:24,980
attack and it was just Venus in the sky

1896
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so I think it's because there's a

1897
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heightened awareness of the sky during

1898
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wartime it makes sense also it tends to

1899
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be towards the end of major conflicts

1900
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:38,599
that deciding start to pick up in

1901
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earnest a good example would be the Foo

1902
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Fighters and the ghost rockets also the

1903
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great wave of 73 is when we were

1904
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starting to ship a lot of our guys back

1905
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from from Southeast Asia I've also

1906
01:24:00,700 --> 01:23:55,610
noticed in this country it's the year

1907
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:00,710
preceding a change in the Democratic to

1908
01:24:05,620 --> 01:24:03,050
Republican or vice-versa in the

1909
01:24:07,629 --> 01:24:05,630
executive branch I've found that there

1910
01:24:10,919 --> 01:24:07,639
seems to be a correlation there as well

1911
01:24:15,810 --> 01:24:10,929
what kind of correlation

1912
01:24:20,109 --> 01:24:15,820
seems to be an uptick in sightings

1913
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,119
before a change in power in the

1914
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executive branch of the u.s. government

1915
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,219
you know I'm writing a book in which I'm

1916
01:24:31,509 --> 01:24:27,440
talking about the development of the

1917
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ufology from the 19th century to 1947

1918
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:33,769
and I discovered because I was trying to

1919
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work out a way to to structure the book

1920
01:24:40,779 --> 01:24:38,570
because it is such a chaos there's so

1921
01:24:42,970 --> 01:24:40,789
many cases and then I realized it all

1922
01:24:47,049 --> 01:24:42,980
divides itself into these convenient

1923
01:24:48,879 --> 01:24:47,059
50-year period blocks because the first

1924
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:48,889
case of an of an object that was

1925
01:24:54,370 --> 01:24:51,409
supposedly after artificially

1926
01:24:58,479 --> 01:24:54,380
manufactured that fell from the sky in

1927
01:25:01,359 --> 01:24:58,489
in Arkansas was 1847 so it started from

1928
01:25:04,060 --> 01:25:01,369
there and then 1897 of course is when

1929
01:25:09,060 --> 01:25:04,070
there the great airship wave really

1930
01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:14,439
1947 you got 1947 say I mean that's how

1931
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:16,789
the book divided itself so whether it's

1932
01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:20,480
just coming so no I'm not sure well one

1933
01:25:23,740 --> 01:25:23,000
thing I do I do really appreciate in

1934
01:25:27,670 --> 01:25:23,750
your approach

1935
01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:27,680
is using a time line format trying to

1936
01:25:32,050 --> 01:25:29,780
trying to lay things out you know as

1937
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:32,060
best you can chronologically I've always

1938
01:25:36,820 --> 01:25:34,430
done that with my my writing and I do

1939
01:25:40,330 --> 01:25:36,830
find that it it makes it easier for a

1940
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:40,340
reader to progress along through the

1941
01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:42,770
information going step by step through

1942
01:25:47,170 --> 01:25:44,540
time instead of jumping around books

1943
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:47,180
books that that jump around to different

1944
01:25:52,780 --> 01:25:50,090
neon types of cases or more confusing to

1945
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:52,790
me I guess I like things laid out in the

1946
01:25:56,710 --> 01:25:56,480
manner that that you do in and I do as

1947
01:25:59,440 --> 01:25:56,720
well

1948
01:26:03,520 --> 01:25:59,450
but here's another interesting question

1949
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:03,530
from alien Esquire and again we have

1950
01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:06,490
kind of touched on this a little bit but

1951
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:10,760
he's wondering what influence if any do

1952
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:12,410
you believe religion has played in both

1953
01:26:17,020 --> 01:26:14,510
the reporting and evaluation of

1954
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:17,030
historical UFO sightings for instance

1955
01:26:21,130 --> 01:26:19,070
have you considered the influence of

1956
01:26:23,710 --> 01:26:21,140
religion in determining the veracity of

1957
01:26:26,170 --> 01:26:23,720
a claim in order to avoid confusion with

1958
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:26,180
religious folklore well you know I mean

1959
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:28,250
religion is an extremely important

1960
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:31,070
factor because the worldview of any

1961
01:26:36,970 --> 01:26:33,710
individual has an impact on how he or

1962
01:26:39,540 --> 01:26:36,980
she interprets what they see for example

1963
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,550
when I see a rainbow I see a

1964
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:41,600
meteorological phenomenon caused by

1965
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:44,510
light and water droplets but someone

1966
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:46,370
else might see God's promise not to

1967
01:26:52,420 --> 01:26:48,890
bring on another deluge I mean the the

1968
01:26:56,410 --> 01:26:52,430
paths of religion extraterrestrials and

1969
01:26:58,150 --> 01:26:56,420
UFOs intersect at various points yes so

1970
01:27:01,900 --> 01:26:58,160
when you see a rainbow you don't think

1971
01:27:03,940 --> 01:27:01,910
leprechauns and the chests of gold no I

1972
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:03,950
think where's my camera and I never get

1973
01:27:08,830 --> 01:27:05,930
there on time and it fades away but

1974
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:08,840
still you know I mean I mean the thing

1975
01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:11,210
is the existence of the plurality of

1976
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:13,670
inhabited worlds was hotly debated by

1977
01:27:17,980 --> 01:27:16,130
theologians for several hundred years

1978
01:27:20,890 --> 01:27:17,990
all the way through to the 18th and 19th

1979
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,900
century when we find religious leaders

1980
01:27:24,850 --> 01:27:22,880
discussing not only whether other

1981
01:27:27,370 --> 01:27:24,860
planets are populated but also the

1982
01:27:28,810 --> 01:27:27,380
possibility that the earth will receive

1983
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:28,820
visits from them

1984
01:27:34,020 --> 01:27:31,520
you know I mean we find this in you know

1985
01:27:36,359 --> 01:27:34,030
from Swedenborg to the

1986
01:27:39,029 --> 01:27:36,369
Mormons and the seventh-day adventists

1987
01:27:42,029 --> 01:27:39,039
and so on and so it's important not to

1988
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:42,039
take sightings out of context but

1989
01:27:48,299 --> 01:27:45,369
instead work within that context I have

1990
01:27:50,580 --> 01:27:48,309
I've seen some some excellent UFO like

1991
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:50,590
stories in religious texts that I would

1992
01:27:55,950 --> 01:27:54,010
never label as UFOs after I've examined

1993
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,960
the socio-cultural environment that they

1994
01:28:00,359 --> 01:27:57,280
came from

1995
01:28:02,189 --> 01:28:00,369
even in wonders in the sky where at the

1996
01:28:04,169 --> 01:28:02,199
moment we're revising that book and

1997
01:28:07,580 --> 01:28:04,179
we're removing things moving things

1998
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:07,590
around correcting mistakes and so on and

1999
01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:10,449
there are cases there which I've said no

2000
01:28:14,609 --> 01:28:12,550
I think we should we should remove them

2001
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:14,619
because they're from a religious

2002
01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:17,679
tradition to understand what they saw we

2003
01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:21,400
would need to go back to the roots of

2004
01:28:27,109 --> 01:28:24,460
this tradition and and you know it's

2005
01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:27,119
like the Vimanas it's like any

2006
01:28:34,979 --> 01:28:31,630
mythological object in the sky is not

2007
01:28:38,459 --> 01:28:34,989
necessarily a UFO it's not always good

2008
01:28:41,010 --> 01:28:38,469
enough for the UFO books so I think it's

2009
01:28:44,279 --> 01:28:41,020
very important to take religion into

2010
01:28:49,709 --> 01:28:44,289
account yeah where do you come down on

2011
01:28:52,109 --> 01:28:49,719
the ancient astronaut context of David

2012
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:52,119
had to Childress von Daniken su culo

2013
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:54,730
saying things like Vimanas were actual

2014
01:28:58,919 --> 01:28:57,489
physical craft this was a level of

2015
01:29:01,410 --> 01:28:58,929
technology that had already been

2016
01:29:03,660 --> 01:29:01,420
attained by humans these were actually

2017
01:29:05,370 --> 01:29:03,670
people flying around getting in aerial

2018
01:29:09,419 --> 01:29:05,380
fights that this should be taken

2019
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,429
literally not interpreted and filtered

2020
01:29:14,990 --> 01:29:11,199
through some sort of religious sort of

2021
01:29:18,209 --> 01:29:15,000
you know phraseology and in filtering

2022
01:29:22,589 --> 01:29:18,219
well you know I mean we know that the

2023
01:29:26,060 --> 01:29:22,599
Vimanas they they existed as a as a

2024
01:29:27,930 --> 01:29:26,070
mythological idea a very ancient one but

2025
01:29:30,270 --> 01:29:27,940
practically everything that's been

2026
01:29:32,879 --> 01:29:30,280
published about them ism isn't true

2027
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:32,889
really I mean they they boast of

2028
01:29:39,319 --> 01:29:35,770
information comes from this early 20th

2029
01:29:43,649 --> 01:29:39,329
century text written in Sanskrit the

2030
01:29:45,259 --> 01:29:43,659
vein mineka Shastra but it's not an

2031
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:45,269
ancient book it was

2032
01:29:51,619 --> 01:29:48,449
old by someone early in the 20th century

2033
01:29:55,009 --> 01:29:51,629
so practically every time someone talks

2034
01:29:57,289 --> 01:29:55,019
about Vimanas they refer to this book as

2035
01:30:01,250 --> 01:29:57,299
if it was authentically ancient and it's

2036
01:30:04,969 --> 01:30:01,260
not but you know I mean I look at this

2037
01:30:08,029 --> 01:30:04,979
again as a kind of continuous evolution

2038
01:30:11,299 --> 01:30:08,039
of an idea as I said before the ancient

2039
01:30:15,019 --> 01:30:11,309
astronaut theory was born really in 1823

2040
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:15,029
in France but you can actually find very

2041
01:30:18,769 --> 01:30:17,249
similar ideas from before that going

2042
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back to the 17th century

2043
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let's go into ancient astronauts and a

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lot more with Chris avec co-author of

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ancient astronauts the modern vernacular

2177
01:36:01,250 --> 01:35:57,780
of that Chris ha Beck is that we were

2178
01:36:03,260 --> 01:36:01,260
visited by beings that were ETS but

2179
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:03,270
interpreted possibly as gods in the

2180
01:36:08,180 --> 01:36:05,489
early years because that was the

2181
01:36:09,860 --> 01:36:08,190
cultural reference so how far back can

2182
01:36:14,150 --> 01:36:09,870
we take ancient astronauts

2183
01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:14,160
well pre thoroughly I mean there was

2184
01:36:22,220 --> 01:36:17,480
this Austrian missionary called Martin

2185
01:36:24,530 --> 01:36:22,230
VSOP in the 18th century who said he had

2186
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:24,540
no idea how the how the American

2187
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:26,730
continent had been populated I mean that

2188
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:29,610
in the South American continent he said

2189
01:36:33,410 --> 01:36:31,800
that the jungle was teeming with human

2190
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:33,420
life but there was no way I could ever

2191
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,610
have got there and he said well maybe it

2192
01:36:39,950 --> 01:36:37,440
came from the moon you know maybe they

2193
01:36:42,590 --> 01:36:39,960
just jumped down from the moon I mean

2194
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:42,600
this book published was published in

2195
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:43,530
1822

2196
01:36:49,220 --> 01:36:46,800
but even before that there are sort of

2197
01:36:51,290 --> 01:36:49,230
clues that people were speculating along

2198
01:36:54,350 --> 01:36:51,300
the same way I mean we have there was

2199
01:36:57,800 --> 01:36:54,360
Bishop Francis Godwin the big the Bishop

2200
01:36:59,090 --> 01:36:57,810
of Hereford who was born in 1562 he

2201
01:37:03,200 --> 01:36:59,100
wrote a book called the man in the moon

2202
01:37:06,020 --> 01:37:03,210
in which he said that there are no

2203
01:37:08,300 --> 01:37:06,030
sinners living on the moon because the

2204
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:08,310
inhabitants of the moon threw them down

2205
01:37:14,209 --> 01:37:11,130
every time whenever they found a baby

2206
01:37:14,980 --> 01:37:14,219
but a very difficult baby that wouldn't

2207
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:14,990
stop crying

2208
01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:17,570
example and they would land in North

2209
01:37:21,490 --> 01:37:19,310
America where they would become Red

2210
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:21,500
Indians you know so there was a lot of

2211
01:37:27,940 --> 01:37:25,250
that going on then after that in 1823 a

2212
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:27,950
French guy called Francois Cambria

2213
01:37:33,130 --> 01:37:30,770
published published a book in which he

2214
01:37:36,010 --> 01:37:33,140
said that there was probably a planet

2215
01:37:38,410 --> 01:37:36,020
orbiting between Mars and Jupiter which

2216
01:37:40,570 --> 01:37:38,420
had been inhabited by all kinds of flora

2217
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:40,580
and fauna and a race of intelligent

2218
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:43,130
beings and this planet was destroyed by

2219
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:46,250
comet or some kind of volcano and then

2220
01:37:51,700 --> 01:37:49,130
all the debris spread across the solar

2221
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:51,710
system and the chunks that fell on earth

2222
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:55,010
caused Noah's Flood and most of the

2223
01:38:00,970 --> 01:37:58,130
mountains and it left the landscapes of

2224
01:38:02,740 --> 01:38:00,980
full of strange stones and fossils and

2225
01:38:06,910 --> 01:38:02,750
artifacts of intelligent design which

2226
01:38:09,190 --> 01:38:06,920
included giant iron helmets and so on so

2227
01:38:12,340 --> 01:38:09,200
all of this idea was very old and then

2228
01:38:17,620 --> 01:38:12,350
after him there was another French guy

2229
01:38:22,330 --> 01:38:17,630
called Jake's Bashir and he in 1841 said

2230
01:38:24,490 --> 01:38:22,340
that the earth could have the same fate

2231
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:24,500
if earth was destroyed parts of our

2232
01:38:28,660 --> 01:38:26,810
civilization could also end up on

2233
01:38:33,850 --> 01:38:28,670
another planet I mean there was a lot of

2234
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:33,860
speculation of this kind so actually two

2235
01:38:39,190 --> 01:38:35,450
months ago I published a book in Spanish

2236
01:38:41,410 --> 01:38:39,200
called in parts and I'm thinking about

2237
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:41,420
writing another one in English now with

2238
01:38:47,020 --> 01:38:44,810
a friend of mine who's a professor of

2239
01:38:50,260 --> 01:38:47,030
history from the Complutense University

2240
01:38:52,510 --> 01:38:50,270
in Madrid and the book is done ok here

2241
01:38:56,490 --> 01:38:52,520
in Spanish and basically we're looking

2242
01:38:59,230 --> 01:38:56,500
at all the evidence of implants and

2243
01:39:02,380 --> 01:38:59,240
ancient artifacts that seem to be from a

2244
01:39:04,630 --> 01:39:02,390
more advanced culture than our own which

2245
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:04,640
have been reported probably since the

2246
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,080
you know from from the 19th century

2247
01:39:11,100 --> 01:39:08,480
onwards because really the whole subject

2248
01:39:14,380 --> 01:39:11,110
of new parts started in the 19th century

2249
01:39:16,330 --> 01:39:14,390
parts by the way for new listeners or is

2250
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:16,340
an acronym for out of place artifacts

2251
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:19,520
that's right yeah coined by a ivan t

2252
01:39:23,710 --> 01:39:22,130
sanderson in fact well yes one of my

2253
01:39:25,690 --> 01:39:23,720
favorite books is forbidden archeology

2254
01:39:28,430 --> 01:39:25,700
which is about a thousand-page book

2255
01:39:31,890 --> 01:39:28,440
filled with a part

2256
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:31,900
we're just totally inexplicable you can

2257
01:39:35,580 --> 01:39:33,130
give us an example of some of your

2258
01:39:37,169 --> 01:39:35,590
favorites you know what we do the first

2259
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:37,179
the first chapter of this book which has

2260
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:39,489
SSA is only available in Spanish at the

2261
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:42,010
moment we look into we look at classic

2262
01:39:46,140 --> 01:39:43,560
whole new parts that is the geological

2263
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:46,150
ones those that have found in pieces of

2264
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:48,850
coal or rock where you can find a

2265
01:39:55,950 --> 01:39:53,650
necklace or a hammer and nail coins this

2266
01:39:57,359 --> 01:39:55,960
kind of thing unfortunately practically

2267
01:39:58,979 --> 01:39:57,369
although all of those have disappeared

2268
01:40:01,229 --> 01:39:58,989
over time or they never existed who

2269
01:40:03,959 --> 01:40:01,239
knows but then you know at the beginning

2270
01:40:06,060 --> 01:40:03,969
of the 20th century people started

2271
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:06,070
collecting them again to show that

2272
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:08,530
possibly our ancestors were more

2273
01:40:13,260 --> 01:40:10,570
advanced than than we thought they were

2274
01:40:15,450 --> 01:40:13,270
and then of course these days these

2275
01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:15,460
artifacts are used by a lot of

2276
01:40:19,919 --> 01:40:17,830
creationists for their own theories I

2277
01:40:22,530 --> 01:40:19,929
mean to give you one case is very

2278
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:22,540
difficult but you know the general idea

2279
01:40:28,169 --> 01:40:25,119
of aparts is that it's advanced tools

2280
01:40:29,970 --> 01:40:28,179
and things found in in geological strata

2281
01:40:32,220 --> 01:40:29,980
you know it is a very interesting

2282
01:40:33,689 --> 01:40:32,230
subject to study but then there are

2283
01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:33,699
there are modern there are modern new

2284
01:40:39,180 --> 01:40:35,409
parts in a sense or more modern ones

2285
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:39,190
there is this other kind of goblet which

2286
01:40:47,220 --> 01:40:42,090
is I think it was from the 1600s or

2287
01:40:49,020 --> 01:40:47,230
1600s which has an unusual glass sort of

2288
01:40:51,359 --> 01:40:49,030
the the warmth of this goblet are made

2289
01:40:54,030 --> 01:40:51,369
of glass and depending on the angle of

2290
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:54,040
the light it can be red or green look

2291
01:41:00,209 --> 01:40:57,760
really different and now scientists have

2292
01:41:02,010 --> 01:41:00,219
examined this glass and said they have

2293
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:02,020
no idea how it was made because it's

2294
01:41:08,850 --> 01:41:03,570
kind of nanotechnology

2295
01:41:11,490 --> 01:41:08,860
it contains particles of glass and sand

2296
01:41:13,859 --> 01:41:11,500
which they've no idea how it was made

2297
01:41:15,390 --> 01:41:13,869
but it's incredible and I mean there are

2298
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:15,400
this university is actually trying to

2299
01:41:22,740 --> 01:41:19,090
build a series of screens like computer

2300
01:41:24,330 --> 01:41:22,750
screens using the this 18th century or

2301
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:24,340
17th century I think it was technology I

2302
01:41:29,490 --> 01:41:26,710
mean the whole topic of new parts is

2303
01:41:32,459 --> 01:41:29,500
massive yeah it just became such a

2304
01:41:35,220 --> 01:41:32,469
popular subject back in the 1970s but

2305
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:35,230
really a hundred years before and 150

2306
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:37,210
years before it was already quite

2307
01:41:43,589 --> 01:41:40,449
popular now this is used as ammunition

2308
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:43,599
people like Erich von däniken to claim

2309
01:41:48,660 --> 01:41:46,690
that et visited us over the years and

2310
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:48,670
that's the reason for these unusual

2311
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,760
artifacts what do you see is an

2312
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:53,679
explanation do you have any ideas why

2313
01:41:58,379 --> 01:41:55,360
we're seeing this are these just

2314
01:42:00,930 --> 01:41:58,389
anomalies or an imaginative toy what

2315
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:00,940
well I can tell you what what I find it

2316
01:42:04,649 --> 01:42:02,650
might not be the most popular answer but

2317
01:42:06,750 --> 01:42:04,659
you can get on this show but the thing

2318
01:42:09,930 --> 01:42:06,760
is in the in the 19th century there was

2319
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:09,940
this competition between America is the

2320
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:12,249
new world and the old world of Europe to

2321
01:42:17,850 --> 01:42:15,760
find the biggest dinosaur fossils and to

2322
01:42:20,370 --> 01:42:17,860
say house our ancestors were better than

2323
01:42:22,649 --> 01:42:20,380
your ancestors and so on in America they

2324
01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:22,659
they invented the idea of the mound

2325
01:42:28,739 --> 01:42:24,880
builders to explain how it was possible

2326
01:42:31,799 --> 01:42:28,749
that monuments and big earth structures

2327
01:42:33,449 --> 01:42:31,809
could possibly exist in the Americas if

2328
01:42:35,879 --> 01:42:33,459
the North American Indians were so

2329
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:35,889
primitive and seemed so backward and so

2330
01:42:40,589 --> 01:42:37,690
on it couldn't have been them who made

2331
01:42:43,259 --> 01:42:40,599
these structures and they use this as an

2332
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:43,269
excuse in a sense to take the lands from

2333
01:42:49,410 --> 01:42:46,690
them because by saying that the current

2334
01:42:52,799 --> 01:42:49,420
inhabitants yeah you could give that to

2335
01:42:55,379 --> 01:42:52,809
us have you read this article that came

2336
01:42:58,040 --> 01:42:55,389
out about three days ago where they have

2337
01:43:01,529 --> 01:42:58,050
now officially announced that the

2338
01:43:04,319 --> 01:43:01,539
foundational level the actual earliest

2339
01:43:06,660 --> 01:43:04,329
level of famous snake mound in the

2340
01:43:08,729 --> 01:43:06,670
Midwest I think in Ohio is actually

2341
01:43:12,419 --> 01:43:08,739
fifty five thousand years old

2342
01:43:14,339 --> 01:43:12,429
wow that's this is big news that's just

2343
01:43:15,719 --> 01:43:14,349
broke a couple of days ago of course

2344
01:43:17,069 --> 01:43:15,729
we're gonna be broadcasting this on

2345
01:43:19,469 --> 01:43:17,079
Sunday so would have been the beginning

2346
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:19,479
the prior week here they've now

2347
01:43:24,509 --> 01:43:22,449
determined through carbon-14 dating of

2348
01:43:27,330 --> 01:43:24,519
charcoal and other things the organic

2349
01:43:29,819 --> 01:43:27,340
material that the original mound it's

2350
01:43:32,009 --> 01:43:29,829
been added on to and changed its

2351
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:32,019
configuration a little bit but it's

2352
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:33,760
fifty five thousand years old that's

2353
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:35,170
interesting I mean in the in the

2354
01:43:40,259 --> 01:43:36,729
nineteenth century they came up with the

2355
01:43:42,330 --> 01:43:40,269
theory that had been erased an advanced

2356
01:43:44,459 --> 01:43:42,340
race who disappeared at some point the

2357
01:43:45,839 --> 01:43:44,469
mound builders but I mean because of

2358
01:43:48,569 --> 01:43:45,849
this competition between North America

2359
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:48,579
and Europe they were constantly trying

2360
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:51,010
to better each other and that was when

2361
01:43:55,979 --> 01:43:53,530
in North America became very popular too

2362
01:43:58,859 --> 01:43:55,989
say well we found these Egyptian tablet

2363
01:44:02,100 --> 01:43:58,869
so we've got these a Sumerian I don't

2364
01:44:02,729 --> 01:44:02,110
know these these these Sumerian seals or

2365
01:44:04,140 --> 01:44:02,739
something like that

2366
01:44:09,140 --> 01:44:04,150
and the Europeans said well you know we

2367
01:44:13,049 --> 01:44:09,150
have our Greeks in Rome and we have

2368
01:44:15,779 --> 01:44:13,059
Piltdown man yeah so the Cardiff giant

2369
01:44:17,729 --> 01:44:15,789
in New York well of course I mean though

2370
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,739
all these fakes only came out of nowhere

2371
01:44:23,549 --> 01:44:20,320
so what what was happening at that in

2372
01:44:26,399 --> 01:44:23,559
that period was that discovering new

2373
01:44:29,339 --> 01:44:26,409
things and in the earth became a very

2374
01:44:31,979 --> 01:44:29,349
fashionable pastime and it also he also

2375
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:31,989
sold newspapers because in a sense what

2376
01:44:37,140 --> 01:44:33,760
they were doing was saying well North

2377
01:44:39,299 --> 01:44:37,150
America did have the Golden Age did have

2378
01:44:41,879 --> 01:44:39,309
its Golden Age and you know just like

2379
01:44:44,250 --> 01:44:41,889
just like Europe so don't belittle us

2380
01:44:47,700 --> 01:44:44,260
anymore and it was in this it was in

2381
01:44:51,959 --> 01:44:47,710
this atmosphere that that the whole idea

2382
01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:51,969
of who perhaps really started up so at

2383
01:44:55,919 --> 01:44:53,710
the time though when people because

2384
01:44:58,350 --> 01:44:55,929
normally the people who wrote who wrote

2385
01:45:01,709 --> 01:44:58,360
these articles for newspapers saying you

2386
01:45:04,410 --> 01:45:01,719
know a mrs. Smith's founder ring a gold

2387
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,420
ring inside a lump of coal they weren't

2388
01:45:08,689 --> 01:45:06,880
very aware of of the meaning of that

2389
01:45:11,729 --> 01:45:08,699
they weren't really aware of the

2390
01:45:13,770 --> 01:45:11,739
significance of finding something in a

2391
01:45:16,379 --> 01:45:13,780
lump of coal you know what we're gonna

2392
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:16,389
get a lump of coal from our sponsors if

2393
01:45:21,779 --> 01:45:19,119
we don't break Chris our Beckwith gene

2394
01:45:29,290 --> 01:45:21,789
and Chris or gene and Kay Kay

2395
01:45:36,820 --> 01:45:33,200
thank you for listening to GCN

2396
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:36,830
be sure to visit GCN live.com today

2397
01:45:41,150 --> 01:45:39,360
first game attack of the rockets and it

2398
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:41,160
was a critically acclaimed success and

2399
01:45:45,650 --> 01:45:43,290
now there's the coming of the protectors

2400
01:45:47,930 --> 01:45:45,660
a former military intelligence man is

2401
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:47,940
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

2402
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:49,770
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

2403
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:52,170
because evil forces on our distant

2404
01:45:56,540 --> 01:45:53,910
planet are planning to conquer the earth

2405
01:45:59,000 --> 01:45:56,550
this is gripping science fiction of the

2406
01:46:01,070 --> 01:45:59,010
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

2407
01:46:03,650 --> 01:46:01,080
and the coming of the protectors find

2408
01:46:07,790 --> 01:46:03,660
out more at Rocko its calm that's rock

2409
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:07,800
oh it's our Ock oids calm so here's what

2410
01:46:12,500 --> 01:46:09,570
happened I was placing an order online

2411
01:46:14,930 --> 01:46:12,510
the site went down it just stopped

2412
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:14,940
responding it took hours before it

2413
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,770
returned but I'd already placed the

2414
01:46:21,050 --> 01:46:18,480
order with another company if your site

2415
01:46:22,610 --> 01:46:21,060
goes down you could lose business and if

2416
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:22,620
you have a business or personal site

2417
01:46:28,729 --> 01:46:24,960
you'll want to know it's easy to run and

2418
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:28,739
it will stay online at iWeb your site is

2419
01:46:34,459 --> 01:46:31,170
hosted on one of the most reliable

2420
01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:34,469
networks in the world check it out I web

2421
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comm that's iWeb comm don't complain

2422
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:41,820
about your cable bill going up and up

2423
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and I'll do something about it grab a

2424
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pencil and jot down this special number

2425
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2426
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2427
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2428
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and get more of your favorite channels

2429
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than 100% digital quality for less money

2430
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2431
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2433
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2434
01:47:13,010 --> 01:47:10,590
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2435
01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:13,020
what you watch when you watch it record

2436
01:47:17,780 --> 01:47:14,790
your favorite shows pause and rewind

2437
01:47:20,690 --> 01:47:17,790
live TV even skip the commercials watch

2438
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:20,700
local channels too at just $19.99 what

2439
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:21,570
are you waiting for

2440
01:47:29,130 --> 01:47:23,520
pull out your major credit or debit card

2441
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:29,140
call 185 905 my TV 180 55 905 my TV

2442
01:47:37,140 --> 01:47:31,810
goodbye to the Cable Guy cut costs and

2443
01:47:48,990 --> 01:47:37,150
get more one 855 905 my TV 180 55 905 my

2444
01:47:53,070 --> 01:47:49,000
TV welcome back to the pair against the

2445
01:48:02,700 --> 01:47:53,080
gold standard of paranormal radio and

2446
01:48:05,100 --> 01:48:02,710
now here's Jane Steinberg okay so I drop

2447
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:05,110
those and you never miss a chance but I

2448
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:08,770
ain't never I mean yeah I don't want a

2449
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:11,410
lump of coal well I don't know you can

2450
01:48:16,590 --> 01:48:14,170
crush it with your super strength and

2451
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:16,600
make it into a diamond like Superman

2452
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:19,570
does well I'm gonna ask Chris about a

2453
01:48:24,450 --> 01:48:22,000
new book that just came out co-authored

2454
01:48:28,350 --> 01:48:24,460
by Hugh Newman who's pretty well known

2455
01:48:30,750 --> 01:48:28,360
in the ancient astronaut department but

2456
01:48:33,570 --> 01:48:30,760
the book is about the possibility of the

2457
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:33,580
existence of a race or races of giants

2458
01:48:37,980 --> 01:48:35,890
on the planet and they go into quite a

2459
01:48:41,670 --> 01:48:37,990
bit of information that claims the

2460
01:48:43,860 --> 01:48:41,680
Smithsonian gobbled up during the end of

2461
01:48:47,090 --> 01:48:43,870
the 19th century middle to end of the

2462
01:48:51,660 --> 01:48:47,100
19th century early 20th century all just

2463
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:51,670
innocently exhumed skeletons of what

2464
01:48:56,010 --> 01:48:53,770
appeared to be humanoids there in in

2465
01:48:58,110 --> 01:48:56,020
some cases claims go up to 18 feet

2466
01:49:00,510 --> 01:48:58,120
we have you studied the controversy

2467
01:49:04,050 --> 01:49:00,520
around the giants in North America two

2468
01:49:09,330 --> 01:49:04,060
rows of teeth for instance red hair 7 to

2469
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:09,340
9 feet tall on average well I mean okay

2470
01:49:12,630 --> 01:49:10,960
to be honest when I was about 12 13

2471
01:49:14,820 --> 01:49:12,640
years old I found that really

2472
01:49:17,070 --> 01:49:14,830
interesting because you know I thought

2473
01:49:19,110 --> 01:49:17,080
well here we have the the Nephilim of

2474
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:19,120
Bible and the thing I like I was very

2475
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:20,800
interested in ancient astronauts at the

2476
01:49:26,970 --> 01:49:24,310
time but to be honest these days I don't

2477
01:49:31,020 --> 01:49:26,980
pay a lot of attention to to these

2478
01:49:33,090 --> 01:49:31,030
claims made about about giant remains

2479
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:33,100
and so on because once you you you

2480
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:35,650
research the you know the the story is

2481
01:49:40,590 --> 01:49:38,290
you normally find that it was either

2482
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:40,600
they they weren't as big as they said or

2483
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:42,250
they well they never existed at all or

2484
01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:42,810
they were just

2485
01:49:48,170 --> 01:49:44,760
parts of animals or something like that

2486
01:49:49,580 --> 01:49:48,180
so personally I don't I don't spend my

2487
01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:49,590
time looking at Giants but I mean I

2488
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:51,600
realize it's a very interesting subject

2489
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:53,760
I'd love someone to write a very good

2490
01:49:58,190 --> 01:49:55,530
book about it and I would definitely buy

2491
01:50:01,720 --> 01:49:58,200
it now what percentage you think of

2492
01:50:04,460 --> 01:50:01,730
these stories of UFOs over the years

2493
01:50:06,650 --> 01:50:04,470
particularly around the late 19th

2494
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:06,660
century when we have the airships where

2495
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:08,880
the result of people just trying to tell

2496
01:50:13,820 --> 01:50:11,130
stories to get fame and fortune or sell

2497
01:50:15,950 --> 01:50:13,830
newspapers or something well from the

2498
01:50:19,310 --> 01:50:15,960
19th century onwards it was it was quite

2499
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:19,320
common because there was this massive

2500
01:50:24,650 --> 01:50:22,050
boom in in newspapers many years ago

2501
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:24,660
when I when I founded McGovern your

2502
01:50:30,620 --> 01:50:28,080
exchange which as you know exists to

2503
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:30,630
exchange information that we find in

2504
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:33,540
newspapers books and other places and we

2505
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,480
just exchange it you know ourselves

2506
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:38,400
although it's a an association anyone

2507
01:50:43,370 --> 01:50:40,770
can join when I started that I wanted to

2508
01:50:44,810 --> 01:50:43,380
see how many newspapers there were in

2509
01:50:46,820 --> 01:50:44,820
the world that we could start

2510
01:50:49,130 --> 01:50:46,830
researching and hopefully there'll be

2511
01:50:51,710 --> 01:50:49,140
digitalized at some point and I realized

2512
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:51,720
that in America there were thousands of

2513
01:50:56,930 --> 01:50:54,960
newspapers in German which still haven't

2514
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,940
been digitalized and nobody's ever heard

2515
01:51:02,600 --> 01:50:58,800
of but there they were all these titles

2516
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:02,610
in German well and what it means is that

2517
01:51:07,490 --> 01:51:05,130
there were so many newspapers there was

2518
01:51:10,970 --> 01:51:07,500
so much competition throughout the 19th

2519
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:10,980
century that people had to find new

2520
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:13,980
stories and exciting new ways to sell

2521
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:18,690
them so yes real UFOs were seen strange

2522
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:22,260
things definitely did happen but they

2523
01:51:27,470 --> 01:51:24,330
didn't wait around for those things to

2524
01:51:29,900 --> 01:51:27,480
happen they'd invent stories constantly

2525
01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:29,910
I mean if you look at UFOs I mean people

2526
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:31,560
are people will say oh that's terrible

2527
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:34,530
you can't you can't say that about UFOs

2528
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:36,690
and so on because we know that they're

2529
01:51:40,250 --> 01:51:38,730
they really were lots of them and I say

2530
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:40,260
yeah okay but think about other other

2531
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:43,260
topics I mean meteorites meteorites

2532
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,510
don't fall that I mean meteorites fall

2533
01:51:49,220 --> 01:51:47,520
very often they normally become meteoric

2534
01:51:52,190 --> 01:51:49,230
dust on the way down or they fall into

2535
01:51:54,230 --> 01:51:52,200
the sea but if you take the nineteenth

2536
01:51:56,029 --> 01:51:54,240
century then I just simply press as a

2537
01:52:00,009 --> 01:51:56,039
whole it seems like a meteor

2538
01:52:02,750 --> 01:52:00,019
was killing a cow or a mother-in-law or

2539
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:02,760
splitting a statue into every other week

2540
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:05,610
which is completely impossible and it's

2541
01:52:10,009 --> 01:52:07,530
because they knew that meteorite stories

2542
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,019
sold so every small town had its

2543
01:52:14,270 --> 01:52:12,000
meteorite story but not just one they

2544
01:52:17,330 --> 01:52:14,280
had a new one every single week so yeah

2545
01:52:20,660 --> 01:52:17,340
obviously a lot of that information is

2546
01:52:23,209 --> 01:52:20,670
untrue but on the other hand the only

2547
01:52:27,169 --> 01:52:23,219
way that we can ever get to authentic

2548
01:52:30,020 --> 01:52:27,179
cases is by studying it through the

2549
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,030
drawers exactly and that is exactly what

2550
01:52:35,779 --> 01:52:32,159
we wanted to do in return - magana

2551
01:52:38,330 --> 01:52:35,789
because it was time to analyze the best

2552
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:38,340
cases that we can find so that's why you

2553
01:52:44,450 --> 01:52:41,760
know we've put 21 cases together each

2554
01:52:47,209 --> 01:52:44,460
one stands on its own individually as an

2555
01:52:51,979 --> 01:52:47,219
interesting case study yeah we're you

2556
01:52:54,109 --> 01:52:51,989
know a lot of these anomalous and should

2557
01:52:56,930 --> 01:52:54,119
be taken more seriously in the future we

2558
01:52:59,720 --> 01:52:56,940
will definitely bring out an another one

2559
01:53:03,530 --> 01:52:59,730
with with the rest of the cases with the

2560
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:03,540
surrogate of return - magana exactly

2561
01:53:15,290 --> 01:53:10,370
they just use our numeric symbols so

2562
01:53:17,540 --> 01:53:15,300
would be returned from ago Nia - 2.0 or

2563
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:17,550
something like that I mean now we're

2564
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:20,880
also developing wonders in the sky 2.0

2565
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:23,010
we are we are working on updating that

2566
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:25,199
catalog - and getting rid of you know

2567
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:27,570
mistakes adding adding new cases and

2568
01:53:32,299 --> 01:53:30,480
just polishing it and then also martin i

2569
01:53:35,419 --> 01:53:32,309
have a new project which we're very

2570
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:35,429
excited about which will be - we'll be

2571
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:39,119
doing we are analyzing every single case

2572
01:53:47,299 --> 01:53:42,570
in every Charles Ford book published to

2573
01:53:49,399 --> 01:53:47,309
date it's massive it's it's it's very

2574
01:53:52,399 --> 01:53:49,409
big fortunately I'm unemployed currently

2575
01:53:54,620 --> 01:53:52,409
voluntarily during a year so I have

2576
01:53:56,689 --> 01:53:54,630
plenty of free time to do it otherwise I

2577
01:53:59,000 --> 01:53:56,699
wouldn't be able to because it's it's a

2578
01:54:03,290 --> 01:53:59,010
seriously large undertaking as you say

2579
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:03,300
it's a testament to your how would I put

2580
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:06,690
this fort to me was the granddaddy of

2581
01:54:11,540 --> 01:54:09,930
all modern paranormal research in

2582
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:11,550
terms of the amount of years that he

2583
01:54:16,730 --> 01:54:14,370
spent in New York libraries and

2584
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:16,740
newspaper archives coming through and

2585
01:54:21,020 --> 01:54:18,690
pulling out the most incredible stuff

2586
01:54:23,810 --> 01:54:21,030
some of the most influential books in my

2587
01:54:26,930 --> 01:54:23,820
library were written by Charles for it

2588
01:54:30,130 --> 01:54:26,940
and it's I'm just so gratified that

2589
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:30,140
someone is finally tackling the monolith

2590
01:54:37,220 --> 01:54:34,800
just to get the the writing the prose is

2591
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:37,230
is a chore if I tried to read that stuff

2592
01:54:40,670 --> 01:54:39,090
when I was a teenager because they had

2593
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:40,680
the books of Charles fort where they

2594
01:54:45,470 --> 01:54:43,440
collect all the works in a single thick

2595
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:45,480
volume right the collected works of

2596
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:47,130
Charles Porter right now the other thing

2597
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:49,110
of course that concern me there is he's

2598
01:54:53,870 --> 01:54:51,510
going to the library and he's collecting

2599
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:53,880
stories he's not really investigating

2600
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:55,650
anything he's collecting stories well

2601
01:54:59,660 --> 01:54:57,840
that's what Chris is gonna do of course

2602
01:55:01,490 --> 01:54:59,670
okay well let's look at these we're

2603
01:55:02,990 --> 01:55:01,500
exactly and that's the point because you

2604
01:55:04,910 --> 01:55:03,000
wonder how many of these story

2605
01:55:06,770 --> 01:55:04,920
especially newspaper articles were

2606
01:55:09,110 --> 01:55:06,780
written just to sell papers but

2607
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:09,120
parenthetically before we go on when you

2608
01:55:11,870 --> 01:55:10,170
were talking about that especially

2609
01:55:13,940 --> 01:55:11,880
during the 19th century you had these

2610
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:13,950
editors who basically make up stories

2611
01:55:19,010 --> 01:55:16,320
just to sell papers and I wonder how

2612
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,020
many people believed them but I wonder

2613
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:21,360
how much of that is still going on with

2614
01:55:25,190 --> 01:55:23,490
cable news whether cable news

2615
01:55:28,100 --> 01:55:25,200
particularly here in the United States

2616
01:55:30,350 --> 01:55:28,110
how many times do they take real stories

2617
01:55:32,690 --> 01:55:30,360
ghin them up to make them sound more

2618
01:55:35,660 --> 01:55:32,700
sensational take words out of context

2619
01:55:38,330 --> 01:55:35,670
and do ten days of stories about it you

2620
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:38,340
know where they may have a reel of the

2621
01:55:43,070 --> 01:55:41,130
opposite when don't they do that that

2622
01:55:45,740 --> 01:55:43,080
might be a bigger question yeah take a

2623
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:45,750
single phrase from somebody and create

2624
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:48,480
an entire universe about that and our

2625
01:55:54,050 --> 01:55:51,090
entire political dialogue is very much

2626
01:55:55,340 --> 01:55:54,060
based on a lot of the faked stories and

2627
01:56:03,560 --> 01:55:55,350
Franken quotes

2628
01:56:06,290 --> 01:56:03,570
that why I'd like to to hear about some

2629
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:06,300
more cases in the book because if some

2630
01:56:10,820 --> 01:56:07,770
of these are just the amount of

2631
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:10,830
documentation it's just to be able to

2632
01:56:14,660 --> 01:56:12,810
dig this kind of stuff up about cases

2633
01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:14,670
that are hundreds of years old is is

2634
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:17,670
quite a testament to to your focus

2635
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:20,730
concentration and just perseverance

2636
01:56:23,630 --> 01:56:23,250
because the amount of work it takes to

2637
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:23,640
pull

2638
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:25,410
well this kind of documentation out of

2639
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:28,320
history his is immense especially when

2640
01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:30,570
it has to do with subjects as

2641
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:32,690
controversial as things seen in the sky

2642
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:36,480
before there was flight in many cases so

2643
01:56:42,140 --> 01:56:38,610
some of the other cases in here are

2644
01:56:45,290 --> 01:56:42,150
quite intriguing well once you give us a

2645
01:56:49,250 --> 01:56:45,300
thumbnail sketch of several of them okay

2646
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,260
well I mentioned that in Chapter four we

2647
01:56:55,730 --> 01:56:51,840
talked about this fireball that goes

2648
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:55,740
over the water and attacks ship in

2649
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:57,090
Chapter five I was going to go through

2650
01:57:01,040 --> 01:56:59,040
the book a little bit and tell you you

2651
01:57:03,620 --> 01:57:01,050
know about a few cases we have in here

2652
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:03,630
in in Chapter five we look at the

2653
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:06,810
concept of flying saucers that is disk

2654
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:09,450
shaped objects in the sky so we take a

2655
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:13,490
story from Staffordshire in England in

2656
01:57:20,990 --> 01:57:17,730
1759 which is about these four coins or

2657
01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:21,000
disks that danced across the sky for 30

2658
01:57:25,970 --> 01:57:23,310
seconds let's look at the disks and

2659
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:25,980
let's see what they mean and more with

2660
01:57:37,970 --> 01:57:30,480
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talking here about the four coins and I

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thought when you said that three coins

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in the fountain a song from the nineteen

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fifties why I think I'm getting too old

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for this but go ahead well this is about

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these four coins or discs I mean he

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compares them to coins that that danced

2772
02:02:29,709 --> 02:02:27,469
across the sky for thirty seconds and in

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02:02:31,930 --> 02:02:29,719
the book we asked whether these were

2774
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fireballs but in the end we realized

2775
02:02:36,550 --> 02:02:34,340
this explanation doesn't really fit

2776
02:02:39,370 --> 02:02:36,560
there's also interesting that for

2777
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dancing discs is so similar to what

2778
02:02:46,060 --> 02:02:43,310
Kenneth Arnold said he saw in 1947 which

2779
02:02:49,420 --> 02:02:46,070
he described as nine flat objects

2780
02:02:52,660 --> 02:02:49,430
skipping you know so we go into this

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subject a little bit then after that we

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talk about the in chapter seven about

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the moon you know there the story about

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the moon there

2785
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divides and these humanoids float out

2786
02:03:04,139 --> 02:03:02,679
and it's great because if you look at

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the book I mean it's it's full of

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literally hundreds of photos and

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footnotes of course too so one of the

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reasons that we're not available in

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Kindle at the moment is is because it's

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just so full of photos and there's a 20

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that you can publish through Kindle and

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this is 40 megabytes as a file so as I

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said it's got a lot of maps a lot of

2797
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illustrations so it's definitely not a

2798
02:03:35,479 --> 02:03:32,109
boring book in that sense then then in

2799
02:03:38,009 --> 02:03:35,489
chapter 8 well this is a very Alden

2800
02:03:40,529 --> 02:03:38,019
fascinating account about a fiery

2801
02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:40,539
phenomenon that descended from the sky

2802
02:03:47,909 --> 02:03:43,689
in Somerset in England on December the

2803
02:03:50,759 --> 02:03:47,919
8th 1831 descriptions at people gave

2804
02:03:53,309 --> 02:03:50,769
ruler a bit different so once said it

2805
02:03:56,609 --> 02:03:53,319
was like a clock face another said it

2806
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:56,619
was like a kettle someone even said it

2807
02:04:03,359 --> 02:03:59,679
had human legs or at least appendages

2808
02:04:05,939 --> 02:04:03,369
the object emitted light heat and sound

2809
02:04:07,919 --> 02:04:05,949
some said it was man a man shaped

2810
02:04:09,989 --> 02:04:07,929
fireball like ones that I'm collecting

2811
02:04:13,259 --> 02:04:09,999
at the moment and it's scorched the

2812
02:04:14,849 --> 02:04:13,269
grass and then it ascended again and it

2813
02:04:17,609 --> 02:04:14,859
is interesting because we know all the

2814
02:04:19,919 --> 02:04:17,619
locations that this object went through

2815
02:04:22,739 --> 02:04:19,929
and we can plot those on a map but we

2816
02:04:26,849 --> 02:04:22,749
don't know what time of day each one was

2817
02:04:28,859 --> 02:04:26,859
seen so we can't really pass it took so

2818
02:04:31,979 --> 02:04:28,869
you know that that's an interesting case

2819
02:04:34,199 --> 02:04:31,989
after that we look into a story that we

2820
02:04:37,649 --> 02:04:34,209
also publish in on wonders in the sky

2821
02:04:40,319 --> 02:04:37,659
this was about these three luminous

2822
02:04:44,040 --> 02:04:40,329
objects that burst out of the water on

2823
02:04:46,829 --> 02:04:44,050
June the 18th 1845 they come out from

2824
02:04:50,189 --> 02:04:46,839
the the sea of Sicily and they remain in

2825
02:04:51,569 --> 02:04:50,199
view for about 10 minutes um you know in

2826
02:04:54,689 --> 02:04:51,579
front of all these witnesses who are on

2827
02:04:57,779 --> 02:04:54,699
a bridge called the Victoria after that

2828
02:04:59,699 --> 02:04:57,789
and chapter 10 we talk about triangles

2829
02:05:02,219 --> 02:04:59,709
because this is another another subject

2830
02:05:04,559 --> 02:05:02,229
that we find very interesting the idea

2831
02:05:07,739 --> 02:05:04,569
of but seeing a triangle in the sky

2832
02:05:10,919 --> 02:05:07,749
whether it's made of cloud or light or

2833
02:05:13,410 --> 02:05:10,929
something because a triangle is real

2834
02:05:17,310 --> 02:05:13,420
very artificial looking looking thing

2835
02:05:20,219 --> 02:05:17,320
and we have a story from 1852 in which a

2836
02:05:23,580 --> 02:05:20,229
Coast Guard Coast Guard called Frances

2837
02:05:26,969 --> 02:05:23,590
see me at Dover in England witnesses a

2838
02:05:29,429 --> 02:05:26,979
dense triangular cloud that seems to

2839
02:05:32,609 --> 02:05:29,439
grow and grow in the sky and then in the

2840
02:05:36,270 --> 02:05:32,619
center you can see a kind of fireball

2841
02:05:38,790 --> 02:05:36,280
that's flashing towards him so we look

2842
02:05:40,949 --> 02:05:38,800
at this case and you know so on and so

2843
02:05:44,580 --> 02:05:40,959
on I mean the the case after that is

2844
02:05:47,729 --> 02:05:44,590
from Australia place called Morpeth in

2845
02:05:50,759 --> 02:05:47,739
November 1862 a guy called Osman

2846
02:05:53,250 --> 02:05:50,769
Middleton here's a rushing noise in the

2847
02:05:57,899 --> 02:05:53,260
sky he looks up and he sees this dark

2848
02:06:00,600 --> 02:05:57,909
object that seems to be rotating and he

2849
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:00,610
calls it a meteor but it can't really be

2850
02:06:04,290 --> 02:06:02,800
a meteor because meteors never look

2851
02:06:06,359 --> 02:06:04,300
black otherwise we'd never be able to

2852
02:06:08,699 --> 02:06:06,369
see them at night except when they get

2853
02:06:10,649 --> 02:06:08,709
right at the end of their their their

2854
02:06:13,229 --> 02:06:10,659
fall through the sky but then they

2855
02:06:20,219 --> 02:06:13,239
passed far too quickly to see if they're

2856
02:06:22,589 --> 02:06:20,229
taking and so on that case and then we

2857
02:06:26,399 --> 02:06:22,599
reach case that I find very interesting

2858
02:06:28,679 --> 02:06:26,409
from 1873 I suppose you've read about

2859
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:28,689
this one about the this object that

2860
02:06:35,100 --> 02:06:31,209
comes from the sky carrying a the pilot

2861
02:06:38,939 --> 02:06:35,110
who exits X who exits the vehicle in in

2862
02:06:40,620 --> 02:06:38,949
Ohio it's it's it's good because it's

2863
02:06:44,750 --> 02:06:40,630
one of the earliest earliest stories

2864
02:06:47,969 --> 02:06:44,760
that we found of an object from the sky

2865
02:06:50,009 --> 02:06:47,979
that has a pilot or at least there's

2866
02:06:54,540 --> 02:06:50,019
someone inside it and there are these

2867
02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:54,550
two farmers that the seal and they they

2868
02:07:01,279 --> 02:06:56,800
approach it this is quite late at night

2869
02:07:04,620 --> 02:07:01,289
in some in a rural road in Ohio and

2870
02:07:06,479 --> 02:07:04,630
suddenly this guy comes out I mean this

2871
02:07:08,910 --> 02:07:06,489
was a thing that was luminous or at

2872
02:07:12,479 --> 02:07:08,920
least fiery in the sky it lands this guy

2873
02:07:16,770 --> 02:07:12,489
comes up a dressed in black and he gets

2874
02:07:19,739 --> 02:07:16,780
into a buggy like a car and it doesn't

2875
02:07:23,339 --> 02:07:19,749
have wheels there are no horses and it

2876
02:07:23,709 --> 02:07:23,349
just drives off and it disappears down

2877
02:07:27,820 --> 02:07:23,719
the

2878
02:07:29,860 --> 02:07:27,830
and into a ghillie and this case is

2879
02:07:32,530 --> 02:07:29,870
actually touching the ground or floating

2880
02:07:34,209 --> 02:07:32,540
above it it doesn't say it's floating it

2881
02:07:36,220 --> 02:07:34,219
doesn't say it's touching the ground

2882
02:07:38,110 --> 02:07:36,230
either I would imagine that if it was a

2883
02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:38,120
big heavy object they would have

2884
02:07:43,060 --> 02:07:40,250
mentioned that it was loud you know and

2885
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:43,070
straightening against the ground he had

2886
02:07:49,209 --> 02:07:45,290
arrived in a flying object so I suppose

2887
02:07:50,650 --> 02:07:49,219
you could say that he supposing this is

2888
02:07:53,470 --> 02:07:50,660
all real he would hope he would have had

2889
02:07:57,400 --> 02:07:53,480
the technology to have created a flying

2890
02:07:59,560 --> 02:07:57,410
car or I suppose last lost last October

2891
02:08:02,020 --> 02:07:59,570
I was I was at this place it's just

2892
02:08:04,540 --> 02:08:02,030
outside of Zanesville in Ohio

2893
02:08:09,060 --> 02:08:04,550
I went there with came a single who

2894
02:08:12,100 --> 02:08:09,070
found this story a few years ago now

2895
02:08:15,850 --> 02:08:12,110
yeah we've researched it to death I mean

2896
02:08:19,110 --> 02:08:15,860
we went up and down these roads with Kay

2897
02:08:21,729 --> 02:08:19,120
in her car and we had a great time

2898
02:08:23,709 --> 02:08:21,739
stopping and looking for the for the

2899
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:23,719
gully for the right road the houses I

2900
02:08:31,660 --> 02:08:27,170
mean using all the geological records

2901
02:08:34,300 --> 02:08:31,670
the census material you can find not

2902
02:08:35,979 --> 02:08:34,310
only the names of the of the witnesses

2903
02:08:38,740 --> 02:08:35,989
you cannot you can often find their

2904
02:08:41,890 --> 02:08:38,750
photograph the day they were born died

2905
02:08:44,410 --> 02:08:41,900
we we planted all of this onto onto a

2906
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:44,420
map I could find the I found the the

2907
02:08:50,439 --> 02:08:45,770
neighbors of this guy I mean he was a

2908
02:08:53,110 --> 02:08:50,449
poor farmer or just a simple worker but

2909
02:08:55,660 --> 02:08:53,120
so his name doesn't appear on any of the

2910
02:08:58,810 --> 02:08:55,670
land ownership maps but his neighbors do

2911
02:09:01,390 --> 02:08:58,820
so we plotted the route where the where

2912
02:09:04,420 --> 02:09:01,400
the census taker would have would have

2913
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:04,430
walked from house to house and we could

2914
02:09:08,530 --> 02:09:07,130
work out where he lived so therefore the

2915
02:09:11,020 --> 02:09:08,540
dissidents that he would have traveled

2916
02:09:12,729 --> 02:09:11,030
because he was coming from from

2917
02:09:14,950 --> 02:09:12,739
Taylorsville which was which is now

2918
02:09:16,900 --> 02:09:14,960
called Philo and where he went to of

2919
02:09:18,820 --> 02:09:16,910
course and so we could work out

2920
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:18,830
proximately how far he would have

2921
02:09:23,229 --> 02:09:20,810
traveled at what time of day and so on I

2922
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:23,239
mean these are just approximations but

2923
02:09:27,070 --> 02:09:25,730
it was fascinating to be in the in the

2924
02:09:28,959 --> 02:09:27,080
very place that this would have happened

2925
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:28,969
and you know I mean this is a case which

2926
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:32,810
as I said it's chapter 12 with our book

2927
02:09:36,969 --> 02:09:35,570
and it's interesting even if it were if

2928
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:36,979
it's not true

2929
02:09:41,739 --> 02:09:38,570
there's no way to know you know this

2930
02:09:44,140 --> 02:09:41,749
point in time the weather these cases

2931
02:09:46,719 --> 02:09:44,150
are all 100% true or not particularly if

2932
02:09:50,469 --> 02:09:46,729
they if they reported by by farmers or

2933
02:09:52,779 --> 02:09:50,479
just simple workers but at least it's

2934
02:09:54,969 --> 02:09:52,789
like the first time in in UFO history

2935
02:09:57,520 --> 02:09:54,979
when someone sees a man in black comes

2936
02:10:01,359 --> 02:09:57,530
out of the spaceship gets into a car

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there were no cars in 1873 you know it's

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that's why we just find this so

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interesting we've got Chris saw Beck

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co-author of return to Magana

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investigating UFOs in history all right

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and we're just getting started but then

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we only have a few segments left for the

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are listening to the podcast we continue

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our final two segments with Chris all

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Beck the co-author of return to Magana

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investigating UFOs in history let me

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just drop a quick question here looking

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over the cases you have in this book the

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ones you have for your next book when

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you remove the cultural influences can

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you provide at this point a distinct

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picture of what's being seen or does it

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vary too much it certainly varies but I

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mean we look for patterns in the

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information the thing is we we consider

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it's a little bit too premature to reach

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a conclusion I mean I know a lot of

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people who write about UFOs who research

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this topic reach conclusions very easily

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though they'll say they're blood-sucking

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vampires from Venus or people who want

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to make hybrid children with us or no

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intelligences from another dimension or

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Time Traveller's and so on and so on we

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we think it's just a little bit too too

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soon to reach any any conclusions in

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that sense I mean we have reached a

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series of conclusions but we're not

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trying to sell a theory if you see what

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I mean you know there's our conclusions

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a little bit different I mean firstly we

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say that UFO phenomena is described by

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human witnesses have remained

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very similar over time so that's that

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it's very important our ancestors

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curiosity was aroused by the same

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variety of stimuli in the sky is arrow

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so they saw triangular or spherical or

3091
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discoid or objects so it's that it's

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that evolution of the thing our second

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conclusion is that very old testament is

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should not be rejected out of hand

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because they can be analyzed very

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carefully and using modern resources the

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problem is a lot of UFO researchers

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don't take the time to learn how to use

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these resources and that's a change that

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we hope will happen in the future but

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whatever whatever we find and this is

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our third conclusion really I mean we we

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think that the UFO phenomenon deserves

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serious attention and we can't promote

3105
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it as a body of evidence with a single

3106
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unifying explanation we're not saying

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that these are psychic powers or

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manifestations of the dead or aliens or

3109
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anything like that we can approach this

3110
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very seriously we can approach this

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scientifically do you know I mean a lot

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of people spend a lot of time and money

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are researching this subject I think

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that it deserves to be started properly

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as I said if anyone wants to join my

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research organization McKown your

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exchange there they're welcome to

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because we find some amazing things I

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mean I think so far we found 36,000

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items that's an impressive number you

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know who should become part of the

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Association and help defray the cost and

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maybe hire additional research help is

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urina Milner I mean he's throwing a lot

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of money after going after a private

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steady project I guess for lack of a

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better definition I think a well-rounded

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approach would include funding academic

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efforts such as yours

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I think this could provide invaluable

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insight into the modern aspect of the

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mystery that has forgotten its past I

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think some of the most illuminating

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potential data could inadvertently fall

3135
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out of one of these cases and I really

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really Kris I applaud your efforts I

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applaud the efforts of Jacque fillet who

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really kind of got this whole Magana

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boat going back in 69 with with his his

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seminal work you know again I think this

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is it's just tremendous what you're

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doing and I hope that you know you are

3143
02:18:57,270 --> 02:18:55,210
talking to a very up-to-speed audience

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02:19:00,110 --> 02:18:57,280
here at the pear cast we have a lot of

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very bright people engineers doctors

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02:19:07,049 --> 02:19:05,080
professionals aerospace folks etc and I

3147
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would really hope that some people would

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at least show their their support sign

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up to the Association and possibly send

3150
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there's some sort of documentation of a

3151
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case that you know the the meconium

3152
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project doesn't have so onwards and

3153
02:19:23,520 --> 02:19:19,900
upwards with the effort I think it's

3154
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important thank you yeah that's right in

3155
02:19:27,509 --> 02:19:25,000
the future by understanding and

3156
02:19:29,700 --> 02:19:27,519
accepting the implications of our past

3157
02:19:32,310 --> 02:19:29,710
and and I think this is an aspect in

3158
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this field that it's sorely sorely been

3159
02:19:36,060 --> 02:19:34,240
neglected yeah I completely agree and

3160
02:19:39,209 --> 02:19:36,070
you know all of the resources that we

3161
02:19:40,799 --> 02:19:39,219
use these these archives of newspapers

3162
02:19:42,690 --> 02:19:40,809
and so on they're they're searchable

3163
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:42,700
it's like Google you just go in there

3164
02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:45,370
you put a few keywords and it's amazing

3165
02:19:49,710 --> 02:19:47,050
what you get back I challenge anyone

3166
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:49,720
spend half an hour searching in one of

3167
02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:51,520
these newspaper archives or without and

3168
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:54,130
finding a UFO case and you want there's

3169
02:19:58,200 --> 02:19:55,600
just so much of it you know and then we

3170
02:20:00,060 --> 02:19:58,210
have these excellent people to give

3171
02:20:02,700 --> 02:20:00,070
advice about what we find you know

3172
02:20:04,980 --> 02:20:02,710
Martin shaf mining my co-author returned

3173
02:20:07,230 --> 02:20:04,990
- magana is amazing in the in this way

3174
02:20:09,390 --> 02:20:07,240
he's been a massive influence over my

3175
02:20:11,910 --> 02:20:09,400
own approach to all of this right then

3176
02:20:14,940 --> 02:20:11,920
we have amazing researchers like came a

3177
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single from Mississippi she's she's

3178
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:17,800
contributed so many new cases I mean

3179
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it's become part of her life now so open

3180
02:20:25,500 --> 02:20:23,080
my computer in the morning and I see 13

3181
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:25,510
new new interesting stories I mean I

3182
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asked about you at first as 14 am

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jealous you know anyone can join is

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completely free it's easy to do and it's

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healthy and fun better than smoking what

3186
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depends on what you smoke yeah that's

3187
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true

3188
02:20:46,301 --> 02:20:44,780
lucasz alright okay we're getting to the

3189
02:20:49,810 --> 02:20:46,311
end of the show so I want to just cover

3190
02:20:53,020 --> 02:20:49,820
a few things here and go on looking at

3191
02:20:55,511 --> 02:20:53,030
over these cases it's kind of set up at

3192
02:20:57,701 --> 02:20:55,521
the beginning of your book that the et

3193
02:20:59,921 --> 02:20:57,711
theory is too simplistic doesn't account

3194
02:21:02,560 --> 02:20:59,931
for all the variables but is there any

3195
02:21:04,091 --> 02:21:02,570
possibility at all that at the end of

3196
02:21:06,421 --> 02:21:04,101
the day we're gonna look at all the

3197
02:21:08,591 --> 02:21:06,431
cases and they do indicate that

3198
02:21:10,961 --> 02:21:08,601
extraterrestrials did visit us and

3199
02:21:13,841 --> 02:21:10,971
that's what these events are yeah yeah

3200
02:21:16,091 --> 02:21:13,851
why no I'm happy to to admit that if I

3201
02:21:18,430 --> 02:21:16,101
find anything like that I will say it I

3202
02:21:21,251 --> 02:21:18,440
will shout it from the rooftops

3203
02:21:26,680 --> 02:21:21,261
you know I admit that I saw a UFO myself

3204
02:21:29,470 --> 02:21:26,690
in 1996 it's not at all denying the the

3205
02:21:32,140 --> 02:21:29,480
it's possible to see objects that we

3206
02:21:34,751 --> 02:21:32,150
cannot identify I don't care as I said

3207
02:21:36,970 --> 02:21:34,761
if they turn out to be the new shins

3208
02:21:39,791 --> 02:21:36,980
here on a holiday or completely

3209
02:21:42,251 --> 02:21:39,801
imaginary or whatever doesn't make any

3210
02:21:44,951 --> 02:21:42,261
difference to me at all because that's

3211
02:21:47,411 --> 02:21:44,961
not what I study I get off on the on the

3212
02:21:50,621 --> 02:21:47,421
fact that it's the evolution of the

3213
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:50,631
cultural thing these are motifs like in

3214
02:21:53,140 --> 02:21:52,610
folklore but that doesn't mean that none

3215
02:21:56,890 --> 02:21:53,150
of it's true

3216
02:21:57,551 --> 02:21:56,900
sure if if anything is found by any of

3217
02:22:01,511 --> 02:21:57,561
us

3218
02:22:05,230 --> 02:22:01,521
that indicates extraterrestrial ism yeah

3219
02:22:07,211 --> 02:22:05,240
I'm happy to acknowledge it I think it

3220
02:22:11,951 --> 02:22:07,221
would be a great discovery you know who

3221
02:22:14,651 --> 02:22:11,961
knows just coined a new word yeah I

3222
02:22:16,871 --> 02:22:14,661
realized that I'm sorry terrestrial ISM

3223
02:22:18,701 --> 02:22:16,881
I love it well you know what that word

3224
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was trademarked that real quick cuz I

3225
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hands the Christmas already done Oh

3226
02:22:25,720 --> 02:22:23,001
extraterrestrial ISM was coined by the

3227
02:22:31,151 --> 02:22:25,730
late Jana fourtner who wrote the saucer

3228
02:22:33,310 --> 02:22:31,161
ISM flying saucer ISM flying saucer ISM

3229
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I make an extraterrestrial ISM was

3230
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coined by the late Jana fourtner back in

3231
02:22:40,081 --> 02:22:38,451
the late 50s as he wrote a series of

3232
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articles for saucer news called

3233
02:22:45,461 --> 02:22:42,530
extraterrestrial ISM as an aspherical

3234
02:22:49,060 --> 02:22:45,471
doctrine and he maintained that the god

3235
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of the Old Testament was et that was his

3236
02:22:54,700 --> 02:22:52,131
theory before you even had von Daniken

3237
02:23:02,830 --> 02:22:54,710
he was flying that road

3238
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well did he trade market Yona nevermind

3239
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he boasts - Yonah was a character and a

3240
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half if I can find a recording of him on

3241
02:23:14,260 --> 02:23:11,899
radio I think he would be fun to play it

3242
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,270
here if we can get the rights for it you

3243
02:23:19,750 --> 02:23:16,479
know nobody can find it I bet you could

3244
02:23:23,050 --> 02:23:19,760
write or actually might ask Bob Zanotti

3245
02:23:25,929 --> 02:23:23,060
our staff announcer now had a show

3246
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called coffee clutch back in the 60s and

3247
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:28,760
I wonder if Jana wasn't on there it

3248
02:23:33,420 --> 02:23:31,520
would be real real fun to present him he

3249
02:23:37,139 --> 02:23:33,430
was a wacky guy he claimed to speak

3250
02:23:39,939 --> 02:23:37,149
dozens of languages including Sanskrit

3251
02:23:42,969 --> 02:23:39,949
he even claimed to me in a letter

3252
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:42,979
written to me I guess in the 90s before

3253
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:46,250
he died that in a very loose way the

3254
02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:49,850
character of Yoda oh yeah was modeled

3255
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after him right yes I don't know what

3256
02:23:58,780 --> 02:23:56,390
whether we can believe that I don't know

3257
02:24:02,349 --> 02:23:58,790
I'm trying to think Chris avec comic

3258
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book character who was your favorite

3259
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comic book character when you were

3260
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growing up and has it morphed into a new

3261
02:24:11,410 --> 02:24:09,140
favorite well let's have that answer in

3262
02:24:13,599 --> 02:24:11,420
our next well we have to have the answer

3263
02:24:15,849 --> 02:24:13,609
in our next segment okay let's have a

3264
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cliffhanger folks because comics have

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both hangers with Chris odd Beck Jean

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and Kay Kay for the final segments

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a job that makes someone else rich

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working harder than ever but getting

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calm this is Dan pillar do you owe the

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IRS money you can't pay our tax debts

3354
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crippling you I've defended people from

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the IRS for over 30 years

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I've helped thousands and I can help you

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too I wrote the book on IRS settlement

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and I'm telling you there's no such

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thing as a hopeless case call 834 no tax

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to finally get free of IRS debt with the

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834 no tax that's 803 for no tax or my

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website Dan pillow comm hi this is Nate

3365
02:28:47,881 --> 02:28:45,511
Pope you're listening to the Paragon

3366
02:28:50,730 --> 02:28:47,891
so Chris our Beck is asked the

3367
02:28:55,200 --> 02:28:50,740
pop-culture question your favorite comic

3368
02:28:59,730 --> 02:28:55,210
book well until my rat ate all my comic

3369
02:29:02,310 --> 02:28:59,740
books when I was 15 I read the

3370
02:29:03,990 --> 02:29:02,320
adventures I read The Avengers quite a

3371
02:29:05,940 --> 02:29:04,000
lot and you know I don't think

3372
02:29:09,450 --> 02:29:05,950
identified with any of them

3373
02:29:12,541 --> 02:29:09,460
but unfortunately my rat didn't eat my

3374
02:29:15,211 --> 02:29:12,551
copy of Avengers number two

3375
02:29:18,660 --> 02:29:15,221
that's where I think I went in 63 yeah a

3376
02:29:21,660 --> 02:29:18,670
guy called Joe French at school stole it

3377
02:29:23,160 --> 02:29:21,670
from me so I lost it anyway so I can't

3378
02:29:26,011 --> 02:29:23,170
really answer that question because it's

3379
02:29:29,461 --> 02:29:26,021
such a sore point I would say Silver

3380
02:29:32,581 --> 02:29:29,471
Surfer that his surfboard has

3381
02:29:36,810 --> 02:29:32,591
time-traveling capabilities I could do

3382
02:29:40,890 --> 02:29:36,820
with that on the other hand I don't know

3383
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:40,900
that that would be tough maybe well I

3384
02:29:47,541 --> 02:29:42,730
can't say the Scarecrow in The Wizard of

3385
02:29:51,410 --> 02:29:47,551
Oz that would that would be unfair to

3386
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:51,420
stretch there we go my comic book

3387
02:29:59,581 --> 02:29:53,530
requirements for more traditional things

3388
02:30:02,251 --> 02:29:59,591
like Superman Batman spider-man No

3389
02:30:04,041 --> 02:30:02,261
okay something with a man on it well I

3390
02:30:05,341 --> 02:30:04,051
don't know I don't know if I ever read

3391
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:05,351
Supergirl

3392
02:30:10,711 --> 02:30:07,690
I knew one of the co-creators his

3393
02:30:12,650 --> 02:30:10,721
listeners know Otto bender but I don't

3394
02:30:15,690 --> 02:30:12,660
know that I ever read any of look I

3395
02:30:17,940 --> 02:30:15,700
don't see you in a super girl outfit you

3396
02:30:19,970 --> 02:30:17,950
know you know who mine is well I never

3397
02:30:22,831 --> 02:30:19,980
wore an outfit I always looked at

3398
02:30:24,180 --> 02:30:22,841
superheroes or something external okay

3399
02:30:25,650 --> 02:30:24,190
you're not gonna guess which one's mine

3400
02:30:28,470 --> 02:30:25,660
let's move on with the show

3401
02:30:31,410 --> 02:30:28,480
no no I want you to answer I don't even

3402
02:30:34,591 --> 02:30:31,420
know his name he was toric son of stones

3403
02:30:37,350 --> 02:30:34,601
sidekick in the gold key golden key

3404
02:30:39,780 --> 02:30:37,360
tourist on the stone comics I liked him

3405
02:30:41,610 --> 02:30:39,790
because he was always like he was like

3406
02:30:43,341 --> 02:30:41,620
the trickster he wasn't quite fully

3407
02:30:45,591 --> 02:30:43,351
aware of what was going on but he always

3408
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inadvertently did the right thing so I

3409
02:30:53,220 --> 02:30:51,311
identify with that okay so therefore you

3410
02:30:54,870 --> 02:30:53,230
would therefore be Tonto to the Lone

3411
02:30:58,240 --> 02:30:54,880
Ranger

3412
02:31:02,139 --> 02:30:58,250
why I already am actually clifford

3413
02:31:03,910 --> 02:31:02,149
mahooty is Kemosabe I'm Tonto no I would

3414
02:31:08,520 --> 02:31:03,920
be tor ox Tonto

3415
02:31:13,870 --> 02:31:08,530
impale you sitter the Inner Earth and I

3416
02:31:16,570 --> 02:31:13,880
would be running from dinosaurs which I

3417
02:31:19,059 --> 02:31:16,580
feel like I am in ufology I'm always

3418
02:31:20,920 --> 02:31:19,069
running from dinosaurs and then poking

3419
02:31:23,530 --> 02:31:20,930
them and then in the legs and then

3420
02:31:26,460 --> 02:31:23,540
poking them in the in the rear-end to

3421
02:31:30,010 --> 02:31:26,470
try to get them to wake up and smell the

3422
02:31:32,889 --> 02:31:30,020
cold coffee now I keep wondering here

3423
02:31:34,290 --> 02:31:32,899
while you keep bringing up rear ends you

3424
02:31:36,940 --> 02:31:34,300
were doing this we were having our

3425
02:31:39,400 --> 02:31:36,950
discussions about Holmes

3426
02:31:40,690 --> 02:31:39,410
well it's one thing to poke a rear-end

3427
02:31:43,809 --> 02:31:40,700
it's another thing to poke it with a

3428
02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:43,819
spear okay dude so you know when you're

3429
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being chased by a Stegosaurus you got to

3430
02:31:49,900 --> 02:31:48,109
come up with some wash it wouldn't poke

3431
02:31:54,280 --> 02:31:49,910
a Stegosaurus in the Rinne I get smacked

3432
02:31:56,260 --> 02:31:54,290
by that tail well whatever I you know

3433
02:31:58,540 --> 02:31:56,270
you always got to stay behind him if you

3434
02:32:01,210 --> 02:31:58,550
stay in front you're in trouble just set

3435
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:01,220
the phaser to kill no no no I'm an

3436
02:32:08,889 --> 02:32:04,210
Indian in in the you know Inner Earth

3437
02:32:12,840 --> 02:32:08,899
right Chris are you still there you know

3438
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:12,850
I'm still hearing listening fascinated

3439
02:32:17,260 --> 02:32:15,050
now let me ask you an interesting

3440
02:32:19,719 --> 02:32:17,270
question here since we covered a few

3441
02:32:22,090 --> 02:32:19,729
things at the edges here in your

3442
02:32:24,190 --> 02:32:22,100
research into all these old cases did

3443
02:32:27,240 --> 02:32:24,200
you find stuff that relates at all to

3444
02:32:30,910 --> 02:32:27,250
what we consider UFO abductions now oh

3445
02:32:32,440 --> 02:32:30,920
yeah constantly there's mmm

3446
02:32:33,969 --> 02:32:32,450
don't we don't include any of those

3447
02:32:38,200 --> 02:32:33,979
cases in the book because we're looking

3448
02:32:41,230 --> 02:32:38,210
at UFOs but we I have found a lot of

3449
02:32:43,139 --> 02:32:41,240
cases which indicate UFO abductions I

3450
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:43,149
mean you go back to old texts on

3451
02:32:48,580 --> 02:32:46,850
demonology the malleus Maleficarum for

3452
02:32:51,070 --> 02:32:48,590
example well there is true that there's

3453
02:32:52,929 --> 02:32:51,080
there's a new translation of that book

3454
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:52,939
which had learned to read and then maybe

3455
02:32:58,090 --> 02:32:55,130
I'll find some some differences with the

3456
02:33:03,309 --> 02:32:58,100
old one but then there's a mystic called

3457
02:33:04,510 --> 02:33:03,319
Jane led who who was thorn and towards

3458
02:33:06,969 --> 02:33:04,520
the end of the sixteenth century

3459
02:33:07,360 --> 02:33:06,979
I believe no didn't start of the the

3460
02:33:10,980 --> 02:33:07,370
certainty

3461
02:33:13,630 --> 02:33:10,990
and she had experiences which he called

3462
02:33:16,360 --> 02:33:13,640
transport or transportation she found

3463
02:33:18,970 --> 02:33:16,370
herself taken off to a star at one point

3464
02:33:22,180 --> 02:33:18,980
in the sky and there's a lot of things

3465
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:22,190
about babies and so on and she had she

3466
02:33:28,780 --> 02:33:25,130
wrote about her own UFO sightings so

3467
02:33:31,330 --> 02:33:28,790
yeah there's a lot of it and then I'm

3468
02:33:34,301 --> 02:33:31,340
also preparing at the moment a book

3469
02:33:37,330 --> 02:33:34,311
about about this kind of topic including

3470
02:33:40,750 --> 02:33:37,340
teleportations and to be published in

3471
02:33:43,420 --> 02:33:40,760
again in Spanish next year and I'm

3472
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:43,430
looking at these old cases

3473
02:33:46,900 --> 02:33:45,050
you know old texts and you know

3474
02:33:49,960 --> 02:33:46,910
including new ones too but very

3475
02:33:51,790 --> 02:33:49,970
interested in how it seems that there

3476
02:33:54,370 --> 02:33:51,800
again there's this continuation of a

3477
02:33:57,810 --> 02:33:54,380
theme over time whether it's abductions

3478
02:34:00,640 --> 02:33:57,820
or teleportations or some kind of

3479
02:34:02,020 --> 02:34:00,650
encounters with the unknown now do you

3480
02:34:04,150 --> 02:34:02,030
think this unknown represents an

3481
02:34:05,770 --> 02:34:04,160
external reality that interacts with us

3482
02:34:09,420 --> 02:34:05,780
or is it something that we all kind of

3483
02:34:13,140 --> 02:34:09,430
imagined I'd like to think it exists I

3484
02:34:15,460 --> 02:34:13,150
mean I think we've all had in our lives

3485
02:34:18,670 --> 02:34:15,470
experiences which we mean one might even

3486
02:34:22,180 --> 02:34:18,680
call paranormal which feel paranormal at

3487
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:22,190
least I mean you could look at about how

3488
02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:23,690
about how that works statistically and

3489
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:25,130
probably discovered that it wasn't as

3490
02:34:29,770 --> 02:34:28,010
strange as you thought but you know I I

3491
02:34:32,200 --> 02:34:29,780
would like to think that there's that

3492
02:34:34,630 --> 02:34:32,210
there's more to this life than then we

3493
02:34:37,330 --> 02:34:34,640
can actually see but of course it's also

3494
02:34:40,210 --> 02:34:37,340
it's also the human condition to have

3495
02:34:43,150 --> 02:34:40,220
that feeling so I can't even trust my

3496
02:34:45,580 --> 02:34:43,160
own my own judgement in that case good

3497
02:34:50,591 --> 02:34:45,590
answer also you could extrapolate that

3498
02:34:52,750 --> 02:34:50,601
to the next level and you know blow the

3499
02:34:55,480 --> 02:34:52,760
dust off your call young books and say

3500
02:34:58,780 --> 02:34:55,490
perhaps it's a collective manifestation

3501
02:35:03,730 --> 02:34:58,790
of phenomena that has some underlying

3502
02:35:07,180 --> 02:35:03,740
sort of primordial you know for lack of

3503
02:35:09,700 --> 02:35:07,190
a better term an archetypal agenda yeah

3504
02:35:12,660 --> 02:35:09,710
it would be nice oh you know I mean I

3505
02:35:14,680 --> 02:35:12,670
sometimes speak to professionals like

3506
02:35:18,621 --> 02:35:14,690
psychologists and so on

3507
02:35:21,261 --> 02:35:18,631
still you know reading consumed

3508
02:35:24,591 --> 02:35:21,271
they even get into Rupert Sheldrake and

3509
02:35:27,801 --> 02:35:24,601
so yeah it would be very nice to think

3510
02:35:29,271 --> 02:35:27,811
that there is another realm beyond our

3511
02:35:34,881 --> 02:35:29,281
own there is another plane of existence

3512
02:35:37,161 --> 02:35:34,891
or at least a dimension to our own human

3513
02:35:39,470 --> 02:35:37,171
experience which we access perhaps

3514
02:35:42,201 --> 02:35:39,480
through the mind or maybe manifests

3515
02:35:43,671 --> 02:35:42,211
occasional reality well you missed in

3516
02:35:46,881 --> 02:35:43,681
the operative word here which is

3517
02:35:51,140 --> 02:35:46,891
collective it you know the individual

3518
02:35:55,151 --> 02:35:51,150
may be a nodal point or some sort of you

3519
02:35:56,921 --> 02:35:55,161
know window or doorway to a collective

3520
02:35:59,001 --> 02:35:56,931
environment that's being created

3521
02:36:02,711 --> 02:35:59,011
unbeknownst to us consciously as

3522
02:36:05,811 --> 02:36:02,721
individuals but certain individuals may

3523
02:36:09,351 --> 02:36:05,821
unwittingly or by design stumble into

3524
02:36:13,101 --> 02:36:09,361
Magana and be asked if they'd like to

3525
02:36:16,220 --> 02:36:13,111
have something to eat and of course as

3526
02:36:19,671 --> 02:36:16,230
we all know if the the Fae folk ever

3527
02:36:22,131 --> 02:36:19,681
pick you up and take whisk you away and

3528
02:36:26,930 --> 02:36:22,141
offer you something to eat or drink say

3529
02:36:29,211 --> 02:36:26,940
no you know what I always think that I

3530
02:36:32,271 --> 02:36:29,221
mean I prefer to be guided by my

3531
02:36:33,621 --> 02:36:32,281
evidence and this point in my life I

3532
02:36:37,031 --> 02:36:33,631
consider I haven't found enough evidence

3533
02:36:39,501 --> 02:36:37,041
to support the idea that there is that

3534
02:36:42,821 --> 02:36:39,511
extra diamond dimension to human

3535
02:36:45,711 --> 02:36:42,831
existence but who knows you know I mean

3536
02:36:47,571 --> 02:36:45,721
I've only been around for 44 years we'll

3537
02:36:48,441 --> 02:36:47,581
see what happens the next 44 that can

3538
02:36:51,281 --> 02:36:48,451
change my mind

3539
02:36:54,201 --> 02:36:51,291
oh you're young you're young hey

3540
02:36:55,491 --> 02:36:54,211
whippersnapper yeah I'm gonna snap the

3541
02:36:57,771 --> 02:36:55,501
whip right now because we're running out

3542
02:36:59,031 --> 02:36:57,781
of time Chris are back tell our

3543
02:37:01,720 --> 02:36:59,041
listeners where they can find more

3544
02:37:04,970 --> 02:37:01,730
information about the stuff that you do

3545
02:37:07,101 --> 02:37:04,980
okay well first my book with Martin

3546
02:37:09,140 --> 02:37:07,111
Schaaf they can find that on Amazon

3547
02:37:11,751 --> 02:37:09,150
at the moment there's some glitch on

3548
02:37:13,101 --> 02:37:11,761
Amazon it says that it's out of stock

3549
02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:13,111
apparently it's not actually out of

3550
02:37:17,151 --> 02:37:14,730
stock when you order it you receive it

3551
02:37:20,571 --> 02:37:17,161
quite promptly but anyway that's that's

3552
02:37:23,720 --> 02:37:20,581
just a glitch apparently or they can

3553
02:37:27,951 --> 02:37:23,730
find it on the anomalous dot-com and

3554
02:37:31,011 --> 02:37:27,961
website then my research group my Gonia

3555
02:37:31,860 --> 02:37:31,021
exchange or my Goni acts maybe you can

3556
02:37:36,350 --> 02:37:31,870
call us and I can

3557
02:37:38,130 --> 02:37:36,360
the axe it's you can find this

3558
02:37:39,870 --> 02:37:38,140
practically anywhere on Google I mean

3559
02:37:43,530 --> 02:37:39,880
you just put this into Google but it's a

3560
02:37:45,390 --> 02:37:43,540
yahoo group and people can also contact

3561
02:37:47,790 --> 02:37:45,400
me through Facebook I mean there are

3562
02:37:50,430 --> 02:37:47,800
there are ways to find I can give you

3563
02:37:53,160 --> 02:37:50,440
the telephone number of the cafe where I

3564
02:37:55,680 --> 02:37:53,170
normally go let's not and say we did you

3565
02:37:57,960 --> 02:37:55,690
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02:38:02,910 --> 02:38:00,790
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3569
02:38:08,580 --> 02:38:05,351
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3570
02:38:09,060 --> 02:38:08,590
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3572
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02:38:52,710 --> 02:38:46,510
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3586
02:39:01,620 --> 02:38:58,749
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3587
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